cowcards Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 2:19 PM, nhs67 said: Happel dropping would also insinuate both Alirez and Jamison drop as well, correct? Expand Alirez drops because of his loss to Jamison and not winning his conference. His highest quality win is Composto or Frost, which aren't abd by any means. I think Vombaur gets the 5, Alirez will get the 6, Happel the 7, Jamison the 8. Had Jamison won, he would've jumped Alirez. But I could see Happel above Alirez due to winning Big 12 and beating Jamison a couple times.
ChickenWing Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 2:19 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: In his 2 wins over defending champ Jesse Mendez Bartlett has scored ALL of the takedowns... Expand I never said he couldn't score. It's just painful to watch his matches for the entire 7 minutes.
Elevator Posted March 10 Posted March 10 141 is going to be a volatile bracket and the quarters on should be a lot of fun matches. Head will be on a swivel trying to track all the action. Hardy has some tricks and I hate to miss his matches. He is entertaining! 1
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 10 Author Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 2:39 PM, ChickenWing said: I never said he couldn't score. It's just painful to watch his matches for the entire 7 minutes. Expand Was it enjoyable to watch Mendez during those matches for you?
poorwrestler Posted March 10 Posted March 10 As long as Vombaur doesn’t get Hardy in the quarters I will be happy Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 10 Posted March 10 141 feels like the weight where the seeding formula can say one thing, but the seeding committee can say something completely different Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ChickenWing Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 2:47 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Was it enjoyable to watch Mendez during those matches for you? Expand All Star match was fun.
jajensen09 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 I think the #1 criteria is conference tournament then hvh. Hopefully the committee doesn't devalue conference tournament results we see teams not wrestling a schedule at all. Hapel Hardy Bartlett Mendez
One8alpha Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 2:39 PM, ChickenWing said: I never said he couldn't score. It's just painful to watch his matches for the entire 7 minutes. Expand Is it as painful as watching half the Hawkeye team not get takedowns?
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 3:32 PM, jajensen09 said: I think the #1 criteria is conference tournament then hvh. Hopefully the committee doesn't devalue conference tournament results we see teams not wrestling a schedule at all. Hapel Hardy Bartlett Mendez Expand Conference tournament result is third behind head-to-head and quality wins. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
jajensen09 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 3:39 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Conference tournament result is third behind head-to-head and quality wins. Expand It might be different for this. No reason hardy shouldn't be highest ranked B1g wrestler. Need to reward wrestling. Psu is killing the sport not wrestling the way it is
Le duke Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 3:59 PM, jajensen09 said: It might be different for this. No reason hardy shouldn't be highest ranked B1g wrestler. Need to reward wrestling. Psu is killing the sport not wrestling the way it is Expand When they wrestled, Bartlett beat Hardy.
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) On 3/10/2025 at 3:59 PM, jajensen09 said: It might be different for this. No reason hardy shouldn't be highest ranked B1g wrestler. Need to reward wrestling. Psu is killing the sport not wrestling the way it is Expand No, it is not different for this. That is pretty straight forward. What is not straight forward is if the committee will use their veto power to move guys up or down up to three spots from the formulaic result. 141 seems like the most likely place that will happen given the way the season played out. As for that last sentence, huh? Edited March 10 by Wrestleknownothing Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
cowcards Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 3:59 PM, jajensen09 said: It might be different for this. No reason hardy shouldn't be highest ranked B1g wrestler. Need to reward wrestling. Psu is killing the sport not wrestling the way it is Expand His losses to Happel, Jamison, and Bartlett aren't taken into consideration? Bartlett is going to come out on the formula ahead of Hardy. He may come out ahead of Mendez due to the H2H and conference finish criteria, but Mendez will be ahead in the ranks, common opponents, win %, and at least even with quality wins.
Dogbone Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 4:24 PM, cowcards said: His losses to Happel, Jamison, and Bartlett aren't taken into consideration? Bartlett is going to come out on the formula ahead of Hardy. He may come out ahead of Mendez due to the H2H and conference finish criteria, but Mendez will be ahead in the ranks, common opponents, win %, and at least even with quality wins. Expand
Dogbone Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) Mendez was ranked higher than Hardy before this weekend but I would be shocked if he will be ahead of him after the weekend. Edited March 10 by Dogbone
RawDog Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 2:47 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Was it enjoyable to watch Mendez during those matches for you? Expand Yes, Mendez is usually the agressor
PortaJohn Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 4:37 PM, RawDog said: Yes, Mendez is usually the agressor Expand IDK, from what I remember when they've wrestled each other the pace and offensive output has been equal. I don't remember Mendez taking one shot in their finals match last year I Don't Agree With What I Posted
Truzzcat Posted March 10 Posted March 10 not at either of these weights but where does Paniro fit in at 149? he is 17-1 at the weight and a conference champ. Does he slide into the 3 behind henson and Ridge? I am the personal property of VakAttack
cowcards Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 4:33 PM, Dogbone said: Mendez was ranked higher than Hardy before this weekend but I would be shocked if he will be ahead of him after the weekend. Expand The coaches might due to recency bias, but they shouldn't. RPI will still have Mendez ahead.
Dogbone Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 5:46 PM, cowcards said: The coaches might due to recency bias, but they shouldn't. RPI will still have Mendez ahead. Expand Why shouldn't Hardy be ranked higher? Hardy will have head to head and higher conference finish. I am presuming rankings. Even if he is lower in RPI, he should still come out above Mendez.
cowcards Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 5:59 PM, Dogbone said: Why shouldn't Hardy be ranked higher? Hardy will have head to head and higher conference finish. I am presuming rankings. Even if he is lower in RPI, he should still come out above Mendez. Expand Because he has losses to Jamison (who Mendez beat) and Happel. While good losses as they will both be top-8 seeds, they are still losses that Mendez doesn't have. 1
Gus Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 5:05 PM, Truzzcat said: not at either of these weights but where does Paniro fit in at 149? he is 17-1 at the weight and a conference champ. Does he slide into the 3 behind henson and Ridge? Expand If I had to guess... 149: 1- Henson 2- Lovett 3- Paniro 4- SVN 1
jajensen09 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 4:03 PM, Le duke said: When they wrestled, Bartlett beat Hardy. Expand Sooo bartlett should be behind minnesota wrestler with that logic
jajensen09 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 On 3/10/2025 at 6:06 PM, cowcards said: Because he has losses to Jamison (who Mendez beat) and Happel. While good losses as they will both be top-8 seeds, they are still losses that Mendez doesn't have. Expand Hardy 1-1 vs Mendez and won bigs. Hardy gets the nod
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