Could the reported drop in indirect cost rates for NIH grants affect college wrestling?

[peanut]

Some please explain.

[Wrestleknownothing]

26 minutes ago, peanut said:

Some please explain.

I was kinda hoping you would explain what you meant when I clicked on the topic.

[peanut]

This article in the Daily Nebraskan claims that the grants stuff could cost the University of Nebraska "nearly $30 million" which it will have to make up elsewhere in order to continue with the research as is. I assume there will be a similar loss in revenue at other research universities, and those universities may start looking for ways to close the funding gaps.

[ionel]

3 hours ago, peanut said:

Some please explain.

The short answer is no those two are not really related.  And no its not costing Nebraska tax payers directly, most "state" research universities are prob only receiving tax funding for ~10 to 15% of budget.  The current funded proposal are already under contract and change in indirect rate won't affect their budget.  Faculty who write the proposals and do the research dont recieve the indirect it goes to admin at university level with some carved back to the college and department admin.  Faculty and universities will adjust by writing more proposals for higher indirect cost granting sources and by trimming overhead expense. 

[Pinnacle]

3 hours ago, peanut said:

This article in the Daily Nebraskan claims that the grants stuff could cost the University of Nebraska "nearly $30 million" which it will have to make up elsewhere in order to continue with the research as is. I assume there will be a similar loss in revenue at other research universities, and those universities may start looking for ways to close the funding gaps.

Maybe make up the 30 mil by hitting up their endowment. 

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Maybe make up the 30 mil by hitting up their endowment. 

You want endowments that were lets say established to fund scholarships for students to be carved away to instead pay for admin overhead?  

[Pinnacle]

56 minutes ago, ionel said:

You want endowments that were lets say established to fund scholarships for students to be carved away to instead pay for admin overhead?  

They'll survive. 

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

They'll survive. 

The students?

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

You want endowments that were lets say established to fund scholarships for students to be carved away to instead pay for admin overhead?  

Maybe the administration can pull itself up by the bootstraps. That's what was voted for by the people of the state after all.

[Animal197]

I don’t think this will impact college athletics at the big schools. Most of the large universities have shifted towards the athletic departments having some degree of self-sufficiency. 
 

I’m uncertain how many of the smaller schools have faculty pursuing NIH funding, or are actively supported by NIH funding.

I’ve never received an NIH grant, but colleagues in my department have. These typically require an extensive infrastructure to be competitive for, and the % percentage gets kicked back to the university to help with that infrastructure (in theory). 
 

I’m one of the few people that will not be sad in the indirects being lowered. Universities set these independently, and for the grants I do apply for this has to be accounted for out of the grant budget. I applied for a $250k USDA grant a few years ago, which only left me with $132k after the university took its cut. It’s not an apples to apples comparison to the NIH grants, but standardizing this will help the researchers doing the work to some extent.

[Pinnacle]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

The students?

Yes, the students. 

 

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Yes, the students. 

 

So if I as a donar give say $10M to endow a particular program then I should be ok if the university decides nah we're gonna use the money to fund fat admin?  

Edited February 9 by ionel

[Pinnacle]

7 minutes ago, ionel said:

So if I as a donar give say $10M to endow a particular program then I should be ok if the university decides nah we're gonna use the money to fund fat admin?  

University endowments already fund research without your hypothetical targeted gift.

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

University endowments already fund research without your hypothetical targeted gift.

What research?  Who decides?  Name some recent examples that were just for generally university use.  

Individuals endow programs cause they have specific interest.  If someone endows wrestling scholarships and coaches salary are you ok with using the money for softball?

[jackwebster]

32 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Maybe the administration can pull itself up by the bootstraps. That's what was voted for by the people of the state after all.

Yep. I won't be disappointed if we see some buyers' remorse over the next six months. 

I did notice that the stuff that's off-limits for the moment will be "reviewed" in due course, e.g. Pell Grants.

Edited February 9 by jackwebster

[flyingcement]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

What research?  Who decides?  Name some recent examples that were just for generally university use.  

Individuals endow programs cause they have specific interest.  If someone endows wrestling scholarships and coaches salary are you ok with using the money for softball?

There is a guy that donated enough money to Cambridge University's St. Edmund's College, and is specifically earmarked to fund whisky on Burns Night Celebrations for students every year.  Burns night is a celebration of Scottish heritage celebrated on January 25th each year.  

Edited February 9 by flyingcement

[bnwtwg]

2 minutes ago, jackwebster said:

Yep. I won't be disappointed if we see some buyers' remorse over the next six months. 

I did notice that the stuff that's off-limits for the moment will be "reviewed" in due course, e.g. Pell Grants.

The most difficult lesson a parent has to learn is letting your kid make a mistake so they can learn some things about life.

[Wrestleknownothing]

32 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

There is a guy that donated enough money to Cambridge University's St. Edmund's College, and is specifically earmarked to fund whisky on Burns Night Celebrations for students every year.  Burns night is a celebration of Scottish heritage celebrated on January 25th each year.  

I celebrate Scottish history waaaaaay more than once per year. And I am not even Scottish.

[Pinnacle]

48 minutes ago, ionel said:

What research?  Who decides?  Name some recent examples that were just for generally university use.  

Individuals endow programs cause they have specific interest.  If someone endows wrestling scholarships and coaches salary are you ok with using the money for softball?

Endowments operate under very sturdy legal guidelines. If your school allows targeted gifts then they are safe. You seem unclear that many gifts go directly to research or a schools general fund.

But I am tired of discussing this with you. The guy at Nebraska sounds like every other head of anything funded by tax payer dollars in that his projects are sacred cows. 

Go look hard at their projects. There is a lot of waste. There and everywhere else. 

We survived a 4 year administration the majority of voters wish never happened. We will survive much needed belt tightening. Our kids and grandkids are counting on us all to do the right thing. 

[billyhoyle]

The athletics programs are separate from the research part of universities. NIH indirects are not going to subsidize athletics programs.  

 

Also, the indirect cut isn't actually going to happen.  Congress passed a law in the previous budget that explicitly bans cutting indirect costs-the rates are determined through a standard process that calculates how much it costs to run the medical school/research institution. Expect the courts to overturn this decision in the next few days. 

[billyhoyle]

11 hours ago, ionel said:

What research?  Who decides?  Name some recent examples that were just for generally university use.  

Individuals endow programs cause they have specific interest.  If someone endows wrestling scholarships and coaches salary are you ok with using the money for softball?

[1032004]

14 hours ago, ionel said:

So if I as a donar give say $10M to endow a particular program then I should be ok if the university decides nah we're gonna use the money to fund fat admin?  

What’s a donar?

[1032004]

Perhaps a better question…

Does no more Department of Education mean no more Title IX?