Is Josh Barr a legit title contender?

[JimmyCinnabon]

49 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

What are Cardenas big wins? 

#2 Cardenas (Michigan) dec #22 Camdem McDaniel (Nebraska) 5-2

#4 Josh Barr (PSU) TF #22 Camdem McDaniel (Nebraska) 19-4

Michigan wrestled Nebraska on Friday at home. PSU Wrestled Nebraska last week at Nebraska. That's a common opponent for you at least.

[nhs67]

4 hours ago, BruceyB said:

You're just in a rush. Barr may very well be a legitimate contender, but until he beats another contender, it's fair to call him a "maybe contender." Lilledahl was being credited as a contender and just lost to Dean who is a mid-ranked 125. We don't yet know where Barr is in comparison to Buchanon, Cardenas, or Ferrari. He could beat them, or he could be a step behind. We just don't know yet. But if you want to blanket everyone that wrestles for PSU as invincible then go ahead. McIntosh was pretty good, but how many titles did he win?

He has beaten last year's #7 (Little, #9 seed), #8 (Beard, #4 seed), and R12 (Poz, #14 seed).

If you aren't willing to call him a contender, you shouldn't be willing to call Focus a contender, either.

[1032004]

16 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

He has beaten last year's #7 (Little, #9 seed), #8 (Beard, #4 seed), and R12 (Poz, #14 seed).

If you aren't willing to call him a contender, you shouldn't be willing to call Focus a contender, either.

Agree.  I’d give Barr higher odds to win than Ferrari at this point 

[BloodRound]

But how much does Josh Barr deadlift?

[666]

Just now, BloodRound said:

But how much does Josh Barr deadlift?

650 pounds

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, BloodRound said:

But how much does Josh Barr deadlift?

How many entire cows can AJ Ferrari eat?

[666]

13 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

How many entire cows can AJ Ferrari eat?

650 cows

[nhs67]

35 minutes ago, 666 said:

650 cows

Before I threw those last two reactions at you, I thought you might appreciate this...

[666]

Just now, nhs67 said:

Before I threw those last two reactions at you, I thought you might appreciate this...

Took that pic after losing about 150 pounds! 

[nhs67]

4 minutes ago, 666 said:

Took that pic after losing about 150 pounds! 

I meant the 333 under the picture, my man.

[666]

Just now, nhs67 said:

I meant the 333 under the picture, my man.

I don't get it. 

[nhs67]

Just now, 666 said:

I don't get it. 

Because 333 is half of 666.

[fishbane]

He will answer this question pretty definitively in less than a week.

[Elevator]

7 hours ago, BruceyB said:

You're just in a rush. Barr may very well be a legitimate contender, but until he beats another contender, it's fair to call him a "maybe contender." Lilledahl was being credited as a contender and just lost to Dean who is a mid-ranked 125. We don't yet know where Barr is in comparison to Buchanon, Cardenas, or Ferrari. He could beat them, or he could be a step behind. We just don't know yet. But if you want to blanket everyone that wrestles for PSU as invincible then go ahead. McIntosh was pretty good, but how many titles did he win?

I think Lilledahl "maybe contender" comparison is apt to Barr and Davis.  Not yet clear that they have the offense from neutral against other top 5 wrestlers, but they might.  With their defense and conditioning, they are capable of beating anyone in a defensive/positioning battle of attrition. 

Can Davis get a td against Ayalla and can Barr get a td against Buchanan?  Definite maybe and looking forward to finding out!   

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

6 minutes ago, Elevator said:

I think Lilledahl "maybe contender" comparison is apt to Barr and Davis.  Not yet clear that they have the offense from neutral against other top 5 wrestlers, but they might.  With their defense and conditioning, they are capable of beating anyone in a defensive/positioning battle of attrition. 

Can Davis get a td against Ayalla and can Barr get a td against Buchanan?  Definite maybe and looking forward to finding out!   

No to Davis getting a takedown on Ayala.

I think Barr can score a TD on Buchanon but I would favor Buchanon to win the match.

[Hammerlock3]

4 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Ferrari is a returning champ at the weight, just not from last year. 

I love it when Cinnabon drops troll mode and tries to make a point. 

[MidniteToka]

4 hours ago, BloodRound said:

But how much does Josh Barr deadlift?

My guess is at least 197 lbs of roadrunner.

[Truzzcat]

I don't expect Barr to go into NCAAs without a loss. How he looks in those losses will dictate If I view him as a contender because I expect him to wrestle his best matches at NCAA's If he's within the margins with Buchannan this weekend or at big 10's he's probably my pick come the tournament. I think it comes down to if he can utilize his pace without giving up a lot early. In the first match with Sinclair, he gave up go behinds clinically for the sake of pushing a pace and generating. I think he's wrestling much smarter now, but we shall see when he wrestles that real top tier at the weight.

[flyingcement]

8 hours ago, 666 said:

 

Really? 

Probably not, but I was getting excited

[666]

4 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Probably not, but I was getting excited

Oh. I thought he posted something nuts on twitter or something. I'm almost completely ignorant of social media garbage like Facebook, Twitter, etc. 

[Fletcher]

9 hours ago, Hank said:

ferrari is gonna crush him at nationals

And by "crush", we mean get a takedown and wrestle from his knees the rest of the match to win 3-2.

[macwoodfleet]

To clarify, I'm not even saying Barr will go undefeated. But, how many PSU upperweight freshmen have we seen avenge losses at Nationals over the years? It's more than a few, that's for sure.

[1032004]

4 minutes ago, macwoodfleet said:

To clarify, I'm not even saying Barr will go undefeated. But, how many PSU upperweight freshmen have we seen avenge losses at Nationals over the years? It's more than a few, that's for sure.

Brooks 2022 (Amine)

Dean 2022 (Caffey, but at B10’s and not NCAA’s)

Starocci 2021 (Kemerer)

Cassar 2019 (White)

Cenzo 2017 & 2018 (IMAR)

Hall 2017 (Bo Jordan)

Nickal 2016 (Nate Jackson, although he did beat Martin in the regular season then lost the final)  

 

[666]

22 minutes ago, macwoodfleet said:

To clarify, I'm not even saying Barr will go undefeated. But, how many PSU upperweight freshmen have we seen avenge losses at Nationals over the years? It's more than a few, that's for sure.

I almost feel sorry for the guys who rematch PSU guys at NCAAs after beating them at B1Gs. 

Almost.  People get what they deserve on the mat. 

[AgaveMaria]

If it comes to him wrestling Ferrari he has the advantage of Cael & staff &who are very good at coaching & preparing to go up against a specific opponent.