All American or Team Champ

[PortaJohn]

Our annual National Dual debate is upon us!  Glad to see that some things never change.  If given the choice would you rather be a One Time NCAA All American Wrestler or a 4 time Team Champ 

Edited January 23 by PortaJohn

[Voice of the Quakers]

Team titles seem to be dominated by streaks - earning one often could be as "easy" as walking on to the right team. Individually, every AA has to earn it the hard way.

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Voice of the Quakers said:

Team titles seem to be dominated by streaks - earning one often could be as "easy" as walking on to the right team. Individually, every AA has to earn it the hard way.

But if it is the best team it is the hardest to walk on to.

That said, I voted for the AA.

Edited January 23 by Wrestleknownothing

[666]

I've never been on a championship team, I'd go for 4 team titles. 

[PencilNeck]

Are you kidding me? One individual national title versus one team title might be a more interest question. Even though tournament scoring is not always the best yardstick (as discussed on other threads), Wrestling is absolutely as much (maybe even more so) a team sport as an individual one. While even just getting on the podium at NCAAs is a huge accomplishment, and one that teammates should be proud of, I'd imagine sharing a team championship with the guys you wrestled with for four (or five) years would be a bigger deal.

Another question that i think might be more interesting could be a team conference title versus individual AA honor. Again, the team success would be an easy choice for many. Might depend on your past experiences with being a part of successful teams though.

[JimmyCinnabon]

4 Team titles. Let everyone else carry my ass to a ring.

[Dogbone]

Do you contribute to the team title at all or are you a starter who was either a non qualifier or went 0-2?  

[MPhillips]

6 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Do you contribute to the team title at all or are you a starter who was either a non qualifier or went 0-2?  

You weren't an AA...

[D3 for LU]

As much as I like to be on a winning team... wrestling is (truly) an individual sport.

I'll take being an AA one time... even if it's EIGHTH PLACE, over being on a National Championship team 4 times...

(How would you play it, when you meet up w/ a hot girl at a bar, knowing you didn't start AT ALL in your four years on those teams?      Hmmmmmmm...    )

D3

Edited January 24 by D3 for LU

[666]

3 minutes ago, D3 for LU said:

As much as I like to be on a winning team... wrestling is (truly) an individual sport.

I'll take being an AA one time... even if it's EIGHTH PLACE, over being on a National Championship team 4 times...

(How would you play it, when you meet up w/ a hot girl at a bar, knowing you didn't start AT ALL in your four years on those teams?      Hmmmmmmm...    )

D3

What is the chance that the hot girl at the bar even knows college wrestling exists, and that she'd know you were lying if you told her you were an AA? 

[Caveira]

I know the spirit of the poll.   But what are the odds a 4x starter is a 0 time NCAA all American?    In today’s day and age they would have been recruited over.   
 

I like the idea of the poll though.  

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

what are the odds a 4x starter is a 0 time NCAA all American?

In essence every year there are, 770 starters with 80 All Americans. Odds are pretty stiff...

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

In essence every year there are, 770 starters with 80 All Americans. Odds are pretty stiff...

I forgot to add one piece of detail.  On a team that wins 4 natties in a row.  With a starter on said team not an AA.   Apologies.  
 

I think the pure math is ~0.6405 but I don’t think the math factors in they should be getting better over time   

 

Edited January 24 by Caveira

[D3 for LU]

1 hour ago, 666 said:

What is the chance that the hot girl at the bar even knows college wrestling exists, and that she'd know you were lying if you told her you were an AA? 

I wouldn't lie... but then again, I'm not Tommy Flanagan.

D3

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

I forgot to add one piece of detail.  On a team that wins 4 natties in a row.  With a starter on said team not an AA.   Apologies.

It's a hypothetical. But FWIW, Penn State hasn't had an AA at 125 since Nico Megaludis in 2016.

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

It's a hypothetical. But FWIW, Penn State hasn't had an AA at 125 since Nico Megaludis in 2016.

Same starter?   I dunno.  But I think they’re been recruited over a bunch of times even with a ….. shock.   A transfer. 

[BruceyB]

8 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Same starter?   I dunno.  But I think they’re been recruited over a bunch of times even with a ….. shock.   A transfer. 

No, several starters. I was just saying in this hypothetical anyone of us could have been the starter at 125 for PSU and won four team titles. It just might have taken an amputation or two to make the weight.

[Wrestleknownothing]

14 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Same starter?   I dunno.  But I think they’re been recruited over a bunch of times even with a ….. shock.   A transfer. 

Penn State trails Ohio State and Iowa for transfers brought in from 2014 - 2024. Iowa is second now, but will be top of the heap after counting this season. This narrative that only PSU recruits over, or even does it the most, is incorrect.

Edited January 24 by Wrestleknownothing

[PortaJohn]

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

I know the spirit of the poll.   But what are the odds a 4x starter is a 0 time NCAA all American?    In today’s day and age they would have been recruited over.   
 

I like the idea of the poll though.  

All I know is that so far 9 posters chose 4 team titles.  But here is the sweetness of wrestling.  Those 9 posters would never be on a NCAA title team because they have the wrong perspective.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

All I know is that so far 9 posters chose 4 team titles.  But here is the sweetness of wrestling.  Those 9 posters would never be on a NCAA title team because they have the wrong perspective.

Your take is bizarrely wrong.  Some do. I knew a guy who barely started at a huge school in IL…. And he is proud his school won the dual state title while he was there…. And didn’t start that year.  

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Your take is bizarrely wrong.  Some do. I knew a guy who barely started at a huge school in IL…. And he is proud his school won the dual state title while he was there…. And didn’t start that year.  

We're comparing High School to D1 wrestling?  Now that's bizarre

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

We're comparing High School to D1 wrestling?  Now that's bizarre

Same type of people man.  So yes.  You comparing survey results from a wrestling board where prolly 83% don’t fit either category to vote ?   I.e.  how many on here were on a champ d1 team and or vs a AA?

 

same guy I’m talking about wrestled for a top 1/2/3 d1 wrestling school.   He didn’t start there either.  I just am too lazy to see if they won a d1 title that year.   I am 83% sure they did but didn’t want to reference this…. Hint they won a crap ton of titles.    

[BruceyB]

15 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Same type of people man.  So yes.  You comparing survey results from a wrestling board where prolly 83% don’t fit either category to vote ?   I.e.  how many on here were on a champ d1 team and or vs a AA?

 

same guy I’m talking about wrestled for a top 1/2/3 d1 wrestling school.   He didn’t start there either.  I just am too lazy to see if they won a d1 title that year.   I am 83% sure they did but didn’t want to reference this…. Hint they won a crap ton of titles.    

To be fair, how many NFL fans take pride when their team wins despite having literally no direct involvement with the teams success. Of course if you wrestle at a school, your are going to be happy and proud to be involved. You spend time with these people every day and grow strong bonds through the grind of a wrestling season.

It's interesting to me that some people would choose to be a weak spot in a championship line-up rather than earn the title of D1 All-American. Every time I look at a wrestler's profile and it mentions, "member of 3 high school state championship teams," my first thought is "oof, they had to bring in team success to fluff up the resume."

[Caveira]

54 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

To be fair, how many NFL fans take pride when their team wins despite having literally no direct involvement with the teams success. Of course if you wrestle at a school, your are going to be happy and proud to be involved. You spend time with these people every day and grow strong bonds through the grind of a wrestling season.

It's interesting to me that some people would choose to be a weak spot in a championship line-up rather than earn the title of D1 All-American. Every time I look at a wrestler's profile and it mentions, "member of 3 high school state championship teams," my first thought is "oof, they had to bring in team success to fluff up the resume."

I voted AA brother.  is this another thread to gain support for a national dual championship?   I dunno.  
 

as to my comment.  It’s just a dude I know.  I was just called bizarre for saying there are humans who would dare to want the other side.  

[Gantry]

4 hours ago, BruceyB said:

No, several starters. I was just saying in this hypothetical anyone of us could have been the starter at 125 for PSU and won four team titles. It just might have taken an amputation or two to make the weight.

I just need to go on the record and say I can't make 125, *maybe* 141 if I avoid eating a sleeve of Oreos like I did an hour ago.