All soldiers will be reinstated with full backpay. This over the Covid debacle.

[Paul158]

This is long overdue. Having to take a (fake) vaccine in order to keep your job that was so questionable that the manufactures could not be held liable or be sued Many of the soldiers were close to retirement. To me that is pretty cruel. 

[Tripnsweep]

You are aware that when you join the military you take a lot of vaccines, some of which are considered experimental right? 

[Le duke]

You are aware that when you join the military you take a lot of vaccines, some of which are considered experimental right? 

Depending on the installation, you walk from one concrete block to another in your underwear, place your feet on brass footprints, drop trousers, get stuck in each cheek, then repeat the process 4-5 more times.


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[Tripnsweep]

It was not a fun experience. Would not recommend. 

[Paul158]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

You are aware that when you join the military you take a lot of vaccines, some of which are considered experimental right? 

Yes understood. You are given TRUE vaccines. Not an untested i hope it works fake vaccine. Soldiers were probably the least at risk of getting Covid in our society. Also you were supposed to have been given a religious exemption if you choose it. My son and 3 son in-laws are in the military. They reluctantly got the shot.

[Caveira]

Were these the vaccines sir fauci was associated with and pardoned for?

[billyhoyle]

2 hours ago, Paul158 said:

Yes understood. You are given TRUE vaccines. Not an untested i hope it works fake vaccine. Soldiers were probably the least at risk of getting Covid in our society. Also you were supposed to have been given a religious exemption if you choose it. My son and 3 son in-laws are in the military. They reluctantly got the shot.

The thing with a religious exemption is you can't be selective about which vaccines you take. You need to oppose them all and practice something like Scientology that opposes all pharmaceuticals. The Covid vaccine went through a clinical trial, so obviously the government was going to vaccinate the military. Remember that entire Naval ship that was pretty much taken out of service by covid before the vaccine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_USS_Theodore_Roosevelt#:~:text=The severe acute respiratory syndrome,ship was ordered to Guam.)?

[Paul158]

9 minutes ago, billyhoyle said:

The thing with a religious exemption is you can't be selective about which vaccines you take. You need to oppose them all and practice something like Scientology that opposes all pharmaceuticals. The Covid vaccine went through a clinical trial, so obviously the government was going to vaccinate the military. Remember that entire Naval ship that was pretty much taken out of service by covid before the vaccine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_USS_Theodore_Roosevelt#:~:text=The severe acute respiratory syndrome,ship was ordered to Guam.)?

Doesn't  a true vaccine keep you from getting the virus? So this isn't a true vaccine. So it is a shot that might help you not get it but if you get Covid you can pass it on. During Covid as a heating and air tech I went to over 5000 homes. I originally was going to get the shot but there were not enough shots sent to my county. I didn't get the shot looking for my good health and a good immune system. I am 70 years old now but I was working 50,60 and 70 hour weeks while Covid was here.  Many of the younger guys at work who got the shot got Covid. Many of my customers who got Covid had also received the shot several times. A true vaccine prevents you from getting the virus period.

[red viking]

At taxpayer expense. What a waste of money. I was also forced to take a bunch of shots when I was in the army. Maybe I should have refused so I could get kicked out, get a different job and then collect military pay for several years where I didn't even work at all. These folks are getting paid now for 2 full time jobs, while working only one, at taxpayer expense. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

At taxpayer expense. What a waste of money. I was also forced to take a bunch of shots when I was in the army. Maybe I should have refused so I could get kicked out, get a different job and then collect military pay for several years where I didn't even work at all. These folks are getting paid now for 2 full time jobs, while working only one, at taxpayer expense. 

Maybe they shouldn’t have been kicked out of the service for political bs reasons.  

[billyhoyle]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

Doesn't  a true vaccine keep you from getting the virus? So this isn't a true vaccine. So it is a shot that might help you not get it but if you get Covid you can pass it on. During Covid as a heating and air tech I went to over 5000 homes. I originally was going to get the shot but there were not enough shots sent to my county. I didn't get the shot looking for my good health and a good immune system. I am 70 years old now but I was working 50,60 and 70 hour weeks while Covid was here.  Many of the younger guys at work who got the shot got Covid. Many of my customers who got Covid had also received the shot several times. A true vaccine prevents you from getting the virus period.

Nope.  All a vaccine does is generate antibodies/immune cells that are specific for the antigen that is part of the drug. The efficacy of the vaccine is completely separate from whether it is or is not a vaccine.  There are cancer vaccines in development to create antibodies against tumors, although they don't seem to be sufficient to clear the tumors. 

The issue with the Covid vaccine was the rate at which Covid evolved. So the initial vaccine was for specific antigen sequences, but Covid eventually evolved to render the vaccines less effective.  It's the same reason we can't just create an HIV vaccine.  With that said, the reason Covid was a dangerous disease is that it was a completely novel virus. So the vaccines offered a level of partial protection even against the evolved virus variants that limited serious disease. 

If we were to get into a military conflict and a new variant of Covid emerges that is going to cause a widespread flu-like outbreak, it would be in the best interest of the military to quickly deploy a new vaccine update that targets the new variant. That's why mRNA vaccine research was initially funded by DARPA.  

 

[jross]

This is a tax I'm willing to pay.  The hell with the people that forced this vaccine.  Everyone is pardoned...

[mspart]

20 minutes ago, red viking said:

At taxpayer expense. What a waste of money. I was also forced to take a bunch of shots when I was in the army. Maybe I should have refused so I could get kicked out, get a different job and then collect military pay for several years where I didn't even work at all. These folks are getting paid now for 2 full time jobs, while working only one, at taxpayer expense. 

The same happens after every government shutdown.   I don't remember you complaining about that.  The workers that did not work get paid. 

mspart

[Paul158]

23 minutes ago, billyhoyle said:

Nope.  All a vaccine does is generate antibodies/immune cells that are specific for the antigen that is part of the drug. The efficacy of the vaccine is completely separate from whether it is or is not a vaccine.  There are cancer vaccines in development to create antibodies against tumors, although they don't seem to be sufficient to clear the tumors. 

The issue with the Covid vaccine was the rate at which Covid evolved. So the initial vaccine was for specific antigen sequences, but Covid eventually evolved to render the vaccines less effective.  It's the same reason we can't just create an HIV vaccine.  With that said, the reason Covid was a dangerous disease is that it was a completely novel virus. So the vaccines offered a level of partial protection even against the evolved virus variants that limited serious disease. 

If we were to get into a military conflict and a new variant of Covid emerges that is going to cause a widespread flu-like outbreak, it would be in the best interest of the military to quickly deploy a new vaccine update that targets the new variant. That's why mRNA vaccine research was initially funded by DARPA.  

 

I guess I am more familiar with polio vaccine, mmr and the tb vaccines. They actually work.

[red viking]

10 minutes ago, mspart said:

The same happens after every government shutdown.   I don't remember you complaining about that.  The workers that did not work get paid. 

mspart

They have no control over that and don't have time to get another full time job. No similarity whatsoever. 

[billyhoyle]

3 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

I guess I am more familiar with polio vaccine, mmr and the tb vaccines. They actually work.

The Covid vaccine works as well. It generates immunity against the antigens that the mRNA encodes.  It's just at this point everyone with functioning immune system has partial immunity through prior vaccination or prior infection.  So all the covid vaccine updates do is prevent the equivalent of the flu/a cold.  It's like the flu vaccine, which is good if you don't want to get the flu, but really only needed for the elderly..And only protects against some strains. 

Edited yesterday at 12:50 AM by billyhoyle

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

I guess I am more familiar with polio vaccine, mmr and the tb vaccines. They actually work.

The difference is that diseases like polio do not mutate. So a vaccine can be 100% effective. Flu and covid mutate constantly. So a vaccine is always aiming at a moving target. And the more people who get the mutating diseases the more mutations there will be, making the job even harder.

[wrestlingguy]

14 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

The Covid vaccine works as well. It generates immunity against the antigens that the mRNA encodes.  It's just at this point everyone with functioning immune system has partial immunity through prior vaccination or prior infection.  So all the covid vaccine updates do is prevent the equivalent of the flu/a cold.  It's like the flu vaccine, which is good if you don't want to get the flu, but really only needed for the elderly..And only protects against some strains. 

Do you work for Pfizer or Moderna? They are the only ones that are making money off of people getting these shots and a billion boosters until the end of time. 

[Caveira]

15 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

The Covid vaccine works as well. It generates immunity against the antigens that the mRNA encodes.  It's just at this point everyone with functioning immune system has partial immunity through prior vaccination or prior infection.  So all the covid vaccine updates do is prevent the equivalent of the flu/a cold.  It's like the flu vaccine, which is good if you don't want to get the flu, but really only needed for the elderly..And only protects against some strains. 

It’s a beautiful 39 seconds 

 

[jross]

My experience of many years working in a large corporate office and having kids attend public school.

• Got the flu annually without taking the flu vaccine
• Got the flu annually while taking the flu vaccine 

My experience working remote from home for the past five years and having kids attend public school.

• Have not gotten the flu once and have not taken the flu vaccine.

 

Verdict - flu vaccine is a waste of time for younger people.

Edited yesterday at 04:11 PM by jross

[mspart]

15 hours ago, red viking said:

They have no control over that and don't have time to get another full time job. No similarity whatsoever. 

It is exactly the same.   They get paid for not working.   It is the same, you are just not willing to admit it. 

mspart

[mspart]

13 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The difference is that diseases like polio do not mutate. So a vaccine can be 100% effective. Flu and covid mutate constantly. So a vaccine is always aiming at a moving target. And the more people who get the mutating diseases the more mutations there will be, making the job even harder.

And the more those diseases mutate, they become less virulent.   This is how virulent strains work.   They can start with severe deadly effect, then mutate and become less deadly, although more easily transmitted.   This is the lesson of history that was conveniently  forgotten for covid.   And for Covid, we can thank Fauci and his gain of function research with the Wuhan lab.    It should never have happened, if not for the US and Chinese governments. 

mspart

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

23 minutes ago, mspart said:

And the more those diseases mutate, they become less virulent.   This is how virulent strains work.   They can start with severe deadly effect, then mutate and become less deadly, although more easily transmitted.   This is the lesson of history that was conveniently  forgotten for covid.   And for Covid, we can thank Fauci and his gain of function research with the Wuhan lab.    It should never have happened, if not for the US and Chinese governments. 

mspart

 

Not always true. With the flu pandemic of 1918 the first wave was mild. The second wave was the most deadly. The third wave was less deadly than the second, but more deadly than the first. The fourth wave was also more deadly than the first.

Edited yesterday at 05:01 PM by Wrestleknownothing

[mspart]

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/09/1071663583/viruses-evolve-and-weaken-over-time-what-does-that-mean-for-the-coronavirus

Ayesha Rascoe talks with biologist Jennie Lavine from biotech firm Karius about how viruses evolve, why they tend to become weaker over time, and what this means for the coronavirus.

https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/12/13/virus-evolution/

Because the goal of a virus is to survive, replicate, and spread, it tends to evolve toward being more infectious and less deadly. There are exceptions and other factors, but in general, says Auclair, that’s what virologists expect to see occur with SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

No not always true, but generally true with coronaviruses. 

mspart

[red viking]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

It is exactly the same.   They get paid for not working.   It is the same, you are just not willing to admit it. 

mspart

0% similarity because a) federal civilian workers had 0% control over their fate while soldiers had 100% control. Their job is to follow orders. Do that and there's no problem here. b) there's basically no way the civilians can make up for the lost income otherwise because this is so temporary while the traitors/soldiers voluntarily separated so almost 100% of them have now had other full time jobs for several years. Now they get double pay that they have no need for whatsoever, at taxpayer expense. 

Talk about government waste. Then the hypocrites that support this waste want to decrease benefits to those that actually need it. 

Sickening moral standards.