Flo super card feb 26th

[Truzzcat]

Lee vs Ono

Zahid vs Brooks

Takatani vs Carr

 

I have heard rumors about Austin Desanto vs Austin Gomez as well seems like Flo is really trying to put on a great card here. Any matchups you guys would like to see? I would exclude the Russians I don't think its likely they get that done. I also doubt at that time of year they will be getting any college guys.

Matches I would love

Blaze vs Bassett
Forrest vs Vito/Knox
Mason vs Masoumi/zare
Musakaev vs Gomez or descant (I think he may be going up to 70kg though)
Nick lee vs desnato (may be hard since hes coaching)
Leo deluca Vs Anthony knox
Leo deluca vs Joe Bachmann 
Yama*I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*a (u20 world champ) vs Pj duke 
Bassett vs Jayden James
Snyder vs Taz

[bnwtwg]

Spencer Lee vs present day Vito. The last time they met Vito wasn't his final form and this would be fun to watch + see where they stand against each other today, especially since Vito is unlikely to ever attempt 57 again.

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Spencer Lee vs present day Vito. The last time they met Vito wasn't his final form and this would be fun to watch + see where they stand against each other today, especially since Vito is unlikely to ever attempt 57 again.

 

The Vito that lost to Crookham 2x and went close with Blaze?

[mspart]

They need to get more than 3 matches in my opinion.   This is a great start though.  We need more of this, or more USA participation in the international tourneys.  Seems like a desert of wrestling action of late other than college. 

mspart

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 minutes ago, mspart said:

They need to get more than 3 matches in my opinion.   This is a great start though.  We need more of this, or more USA participation in the international tourneys.  Seems like a desert of wrestling action of late other than college. 

mspart

I think Spencer is wrestling two tournaments in Europe prior to this bout.

[CHROMEBIRD]

We'll probably get a sense of how Lee vs. Vito would go based on the Ono match, even if it's transitive property logic. I'm looking forward to Valencia vs. Brooks but hope everyone goes at 100%. I guess it wouldn't be so bad to see guys open things up, but I wouldn't want to see it too loosey goosey either since the stakes aren't super high.

[Voice of the Quakers]

Can't we just get a USA-Japan dual meet at this point? That would be awesome.

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The Vito that lost to Crookham 2x and went close with Blaze?

I literally could not care less about folkstyle results surrounding an injured world champ/2x medalist. But a quick refresher of what happened the last time Vito wrestled Crookham and he turned the treadmill off

[Truzzcat]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

They need to get more than 3 matches in my opinion.   This is a great start though.  We need more of this, or more USA participation in the international tourneys.  Seems like a desert of wrestling action of late other than college. 

mspart

They are going to expand the card I believe they have added a match each day hoping we get like 7-10 I would rather fewer high-quality matches than 15 and 10 of them are mediocre. The carr takatani match is fun but Im not sure how David stays on the mat with him if Takatani looks like he did at the olympics.

[Dark Energy]

Bravo to Flo.  This is awesome.  Gotta give them some real credit here.  
 

 

[BarSeries]

Wonder what ticket prices will be for this

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

I literally could not care less about folkstyle results surrounding an injured world champ/2x medalist. But a quick refresher of what happened the last time Vito wrestled Crookham and he turned the treadmill off

What about when he wrestled a nail biter vs a high school junior ten years younger than him?

My point is: Vito hasn't been at his best since his World title.  Hopefully this isn't his "final form"

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

What about when he wrestled a nail biter vs a high school junior ten years younger than him?

My point is: Vito hasn't been at his best since his World title.  Hopefully this isn't his "final form"

That's not your typical HS junior. He might be repping on the senior level real soon. Like, soon-soon. It's a good problem for the US to finally have firepower and depth at the lower weights again. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

That's not your typical HS junior. He might be repping on the senior level real soon. Like, soon-soon. It's a good problem for the US to finally have firepower and depth at the lower weights again. 

Oh, Blaze is REALLY good.  But if Vito was as good as he was during his world championship run, it would not have been close. 

There are definitely some injury issues, but it may be more than that.  Regardless, It seems pretty apparent that Vito has not regained his world championship form.  (BTW the Vito that Spencer teched was a two time age group silver medalist... not a typical college "sophomore!")

[Tom formerly Tofurky]

What's Sidakov up to these days? Bring him in for a run.

How about a match for Makhachev? That would be a big draw to an event like this, not to mention that it might address the never-ending debate from combat sports fans if MMA athletes can compete on high levels of specific sports which are foundational to MMA.

[KennyEBHS]

This is what will help wrestling. Fight cards are great for the senior level!

[Lucho]

I find it interesting that the US has only just started doing this because Iran and Russia have their own league which invites top greco and freestyle wrestlers. Recently there was a Iran-Russia wrestle off in freestyle and greco in Moscow and there will be another one in a couple months with Snyder. Imo there is a lot of potential draw in having these tournaments based in the US though.

[Truzzcat]

13 hours ago, Lucho said:

I find it interesting that the US has only just started doing this because Iran and Russia have their own league which invites top greco and freestyle wrestlers. Recently there was a Iran-Russia wrestle off in freestyle and greco in Moscow and there will be another one in a couple months with Snyder. Imo there is a lot of potential draw in having these tournaments based in the US though.

I think it's generally a lack of willingness to pay the athletes to put it on the line.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

34 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

I think it's generally a lack of willingness to pay the athletes to put it on the line.

Flo's claim is that they offer decent money, athletes don't want to put it on the line for anything other than a couple events a year.

They seemed pleasantly surprised that all participants in Lee-Ono and Brooks-Zahid agreed so ea

Edited Thursday at 01:33 PM by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

15 hours ago, Tom formerly Tofurky said:

What's Sidakov up to these days? Bring him in for a run.

How about a match for Makhachev? That would be a big draw to an event like this, not to mention that it might address the never-ending debate from combat sports fans if MMA athletes can compete on high levels of specific sports which are foundational to MMA.

I doubt Makhachev would want to interrupt his training for it; also unlikely Dana White would agree to it.

Plus: Ramadan.

[Truzzcat]

16 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I doubt Makhachev would want to interrupt his training for it; also unlikely Dana White would agree to it.

Plus: Ramadan.

the only mma guy I can recall doing a cross over was Aljo when Rby absolutely dogged him giving up like 30lbs I think a lot of it is pride

 

[Truzzcat]

19 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Flo's claim is that they offer decent money, athletes don't want to put it on the line for anything other than a couple events a year.

They seemed pleasantly surprised that all participants in Lee-Ono and Brooks-Zahid agreed so ea

I would imagine the athletes definitely overvalue themselves to an extent but it's not exactly a rich man's sport so I find it hard to believe if they tossed them decent money, they could not get more matches done. Not knowing what flows margins are for these events though that's much easier said than done.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

the only mma guy I can recall doing a cross over was Aljo when Rby absolutely dogged him giving up like 30lbs I think a lot of it is pride

 

During Covid, right? I think that made a difference with all the cards at that time.

[Truzzcat]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

During Covid, right? I think that made a difference with all the cards at that time.

yep! they did a freestyle match and then a grappling match ever, both were very lopsided on both sides.

[BruceyB]

7 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

I would imagine the athletes definitely overvalue themselves to an extent but it's not exactly a rich man's sport so I find it hard to believe if they tossed them decent money, they could not get more matches done. Not knowing what flows margins are for these events though that's much easier said than done.

I can't imagine that these events generate too much money, especially if they are streamed for "free" with a flowrestling subscription. I have no idea what wrestlers are looking to get paid for their participation.. $5,000? $10,000? $20,000+? I don't know how much money you can realistically generate through ads and sponsors to cover the pay for athletes, the venue, the manpower it takes to put out a legitimate broadcast, etc. Wrestling needs a Redbull type of sponsor that will dump money into an event just because it will be awesome, despite taking a financial loss.

IMO the best model if someone could figure it out financially would be to have a belt system like MMA.

Right now, we occasionally get a random production with a lot of high level guys, but at the end of the day, win/lose doesn't actually mean anything.

With a belt system, every match would matter beyond just that evening. You would have title bouts where the belt is on the line, and then the rest of the bouts would be contenders jockeying their way up the ranks in hopes of getting a shot at the title. The matches wouldn't only determine who won that day, but who holds the belt, and who takes a step closer to getting a shot at it.

Like MMA, contracts for X amount of matches would be signed and you would get to see them wrestle hopefully at least a few times a year.

Obviously this is a pipe-dream, but if somehow this could actually be established, I think it would be better for the sport than where we are at now with just Worlds/Olympics where we collectively tune-in once a year.