Bardamu911 Posted November 24 Posted November 24 now Figueroa is out til December, Schultz wrestles like a top 5 opponent is just an post practice open mat casual roll. What's going on in Tempe. Also, did Kaleb Larkin spontaneously combust? He's supposed to be an AA candidate, where is he???
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted November 24 Posted November 24 Not to mention all their top guys are getting poached by Iowa (Parco and Teemer)
Bardamu911 Posted November 24 Author Posted November 24 13 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: (Parco and Teemer) thanks for clarifying which guys you were referring to 3
Tripnsweep Posted November 25 Posted November 25 ASU lost their biggest and possibly only financial backer of wrestling. The writing is on the wall. No more Sunkist money flowing in, scant NIL deals that go through the ASU "collective", which given that the football coach has basically performed a miracle by tripling the win total from each of the last two seasons and has them in the discussion for being in the playoffs, he is going to get whatever of it he asks for. Certain people saw that there should have been a change a few years ago and it was strongly hinted this would happen, but nobody did anything to try to avoid it. If Figueroa stays next year I'll be shocked. ASU is sadly going to regress a lot unless they somehow get Bassett to commit and sign.
nhs67 Posted November 25 Posted November 25 8 hours ago, Tripnsweep said: ASU lost their biggest and possibly only financial backer of wrestling. The writing is on the wall. No more Sunkist money flowing in, scant NIL deals that go through the ASU "collective", which given that the football coach has basically performed a miracle by tripling the win total from each of the last two seasons and has them in the discussion for being in the playoffs, he is going to get whatever of it he asks for. Certain people saw that there should have been a change a few years ago and it was strongly hinted this would happen, but nobody did anything to try to avoid it. If Figueroa stays next year I'll be shocked. ASU is sadly going to regress a lot unless they somehow get Bassett to commit and sign. This isn't accurate. Whoever orchestrated ASU to the B12 after the B1G poached the P12's top four teams is the person responsible for the jump. ASU 2024-25 Schedule so far... Result - Opponent (W/L) W48-7 - Wyoming (2W - 9L) W30-23 - Mississippi State (2W - 9L) W31-28 - Texas State (6W - 5L) L30-22 - Texas Tech (7W - 4L) W35-31 - Kansas (5W - 6L) W27-19 - Utah (4W - 7L) L24-14 - Cincinnati (5W - 6L) W42-21 - Oklahoma State (3W - 8L) W35-21 - UCF (4W - 7L) W24-13 - Kansas State (8W - 3L) W28-23 - BYU (9W - 2L) Total OPP W-L, 55W - 66L Avg Opp W-L, 5.0W - 6.0L AS 2023-24 Schedule... W49-0 - Southern Utah (7W - 5L), FCS opponent who finished 4th in their conference) L27-15 - Oklahoma State (10W - 4L) L29-0 - Fresno State (9W - 4L) L42-28 - USC (8W - 5L) L24-21 - California (6W - 7L) L27-24 - Colorado (4W - 8L) L15-7 - Washington (14W - 1L) W38-27 - Washington State (5W - 7L) L55-3 - Utah (8W - 5L) W17-7 - UCLA (8W - 5L) L49-13 - Oregon (12W - 2L) L59-23 - Arizona (10W - 3L) Total Opp W-L, 101W - 56L Avg Opp W-L, 8.4W - 4.7L Vastly different schedules. Yes, give the coach credit, but the person/persons who orchestrated ASU -> B12 are the real magicians. Whether you want to give USC/UCLA and/or Oregon/Washington credit or the B1G in general... but had ASU had to play the same schedule it doesn't go nearly as well for them as their current 9W - 2L would indicate. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
BloodRound Posted November 25 Posted November 25 Figs moving on by next year would not shock me. Why Schultz continues to come back for ASU and not shift his focus towards Greco is a mystery to me. The gap between him and the top 3 at this point is colossal.
Tripnsweep Posted November 25 Posted November 25 4 hours ago, nhs67 said: This isn't accurate. Whoever orchestrated ASU to the B12 after the B1G poached the P12's top four teams is the person responsible for the jump. ASU 2024-25 Schedule so far... Result - Opponent (W/L) W48-7 - Wyoming (2W - 9L) W30-23 - Mississippi State (2W - 9L) W31-28 - Texas State (6W - 5L) L30-22 - Texas Tech (7W - 4L) W35-31 - Kansas (5W - 6L) W27-19 - Utah (4W - 7L) L24-14 - Cincinnati (5W - 6L) W42-21 - Oklahoma State (3W - 8L) W35-21 - UCF (4W - 7L) W24-13 - Kansas State (8W - 3L) W28-23 - BYU (9W - 2L) Total OPP W-L, 55W - 66L Avg Opp W-L, 5.0W - 6.0L AS 2023-24 Schedule... W49-0 - Southern Utah (7W - 5L), FCS opponent who finished 4th in their conference) L27-15 - Oklahoma State (10W - 4L) L29-0 - Fresno State (9W - 4L) L42-28 - USC (8W - 5L) L24-21 - California (6W - 7L) L27-24 - Colorado (4W - 8L) L15-7 - Washington (14W - 1L) W38-27 - Washington State (5W - 7L) L55-3 - Utah (8W - 5L) W17-7 - UCLA (8W - 5L) L49-13 - Oregon (12W - 2L) L59-23 - Arizona (10W - 3L) Total Opp W-L, 101W - 56L Avg Opp W-L, 8.4W - 4.7L Vastly different schedules. Yes, give the coach credit, but the person/persons who orchestrated ASU -> B12 are the real magicians. Whether you want to give USC/UCLA and/or Oregon/Washington credit or the B1G in general... but had ASU had to play the same schedule it doesn't go nearly as well for them as their current 9W - 2L would indicate. Looking beyond that, the football program was all around terrible. The year before they got blown out by Eastern Michigan and beat a losing FCS program by 7. Then they had sanctions against them, lost most of their assistant coaches, and lost most of their top players. The guy who won the Heisman last season started at ASU for 3 years. Not to mention that a ton of other talent left, including a first round WR pick. The change of schedule helped, but keep in mind ASU was picked dead last and the over/under betting odds on their win total was 4.5 for this year. Fortunately I bet the over but enough sports books had those same odds for a reason, which isn't losing money. Dillingham basically resurrected a corpse of a football program. 1
nhs67 Posted November 25 Posted November 25 24 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said: Looking beyond that, the football program was all around terrible. The year before they got blown out by Eastern Michigan and beat a losing FCS program by 7. Then they had sanctions against them, lost most of their assistant coaches, and lost most of their top players. The guy who won the Heisman last season started at ASU for 3 years. Not to mention that a ton of other talent left, including a first round WR pick. The change of schedule helped, but keep in mind ASU was picked dead last and the over/under betting odds on their win total was 4.5 for this year. Fortunately I bet the over but enough sports books had those same odds for a reason, which isn't losing money. Dillingham basically resurrected a corpse of a football program. All fair points. I concede. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Tripnsweep Posted November 25 Posted November 25 13 minutes ago, nhs67 said: All fair points. I concede. Herm Edwards ruined the program. Hell the state of things caused the AD to be fired, or rather he was allowed to resign because of how badly that experiment went. Since he used to be Edward's agent and all. It wasn't like ASU was some powerhouse that had a few bad years. They just had poor leadership and hadn't won 10+ games for about a decade. It wasn't like the talent was never at ASU. They put plenty of players in the NFL. Even one of their head coaches they fired in 2006 ended up becoming a head coach in the NFL. They just badly underachieved for years, hired the wrong people, and just assumed everything would be OK and things would eventually get back to the way it was when Frank Kush roamed the sidelines.
Winners Circle Posted November 25 Posted November 25 On 11/24/2024 at 1:50 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Not to mention all their top guys are getting poached by Iowa (Parco and Teemer) Pretty sure they had one national champ last year and it wasn't either of those guys.
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted November 25 Posted November 25 58 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Pretty sure they had one national champ last year and it wasn't either of those guys. Where is he?
Idaho Posted November 25 Posted November 25 Lost their top recruit coming in as well... Ludington NJ. For a program that has recent team trophies, it sure is sinking fast. Sponsored by INTERMAT
Winners Circle Posted November 25 Posted November 25 11 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Where is he? Not at Iowa
Idaho Posted November 26 Posted November 26 3 hours ago, Winners Circle said: Not at Iowa Yet...season is young. 1 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT
wjd Posted November 26 Posted November 26 4 starters missing this week. Zeke seems to gear up more for the end of the year. Nothing important happens in November, December. That being said, there are too many holes for them to be a top 10-15 dual team, but they probably can finish in the 7-12 range at the NCAAs
CHROMEBIRD Posted November 26 Posted November 26 Any chance we see Pierson on the mat? I know he's a RS this year but it would be good to see him get in some reps
Idaho Posted November 27 Posted November 27 On 11/26/2024 at 7:18 AM, wjd said: 4 starters missing this week. Zeke seems to gear up more for the end of the year. Nothing important happens in November, December. That being said, there are too many holes for them to be a top 10-15 dual team, but they probably can finish in the 7-12 range at the NCAAs Yep... 1 AA for sure in Figs (if healthy)...Ruiz and Larkin (if he shows) could also AA. Chlebove, Vasquez will score some points. Depending, I think 7-12 is reasonable and the ceiling...their basement could be deep with all the question marks. Sponsored by INTERMAT
Bardamu911 Posted Friday at 07:44 AM Author Posted Friday at 07:44 AM On 11/27/2024 at 8:03 AM, Idaho said: Yep... 1 AA for sure in Figs (if healthy)...Ruiz and Larkin (if he shows) could also AA. Chlebove, Vasquez will score some points. Depending, I think 7-12 is reasonable and the ceiling...their basement could be deep with all the question marks. did Cael Valencia just say screw it this season? where is he?
wjd Posted Friday at 02:38 PM Posted Friday at 02:38 PM 6 hours ago, Bardamu911 said: did Cael Valencia just say screw it this season? where is he? I think he's in no mans land. I have a feeling he's tired of cutting weight. He tried to move up to 184 last year and lost the wrestle off to Negron. Took awhile for him to work his way back down. Tried 184 again this year but I don't think he can beat the JC champion who transferred in. He's wrestled some in open tournaments and is 1-5. I've watched him for 3-4 years now. Seems like a good kid and doesn't give up but he's cursed with a bad body and limited skills. 1
Bardamu911 Posted Friday at 03:40 PM Author Posted Friday at 03:40 PM 1 hour ago, wjd said: Seems like a good kid and doesn't give up but he's cursed with a bad body and limited skills. and a last name that comes with unrealistic expectations 1
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