Trump creates new "department" whose goal is efficiency and cutting down government waste

[mspart]

7 minutes ago, red viking said:

Which government workers should have been laid off due to covid? 

Btw you are wrong though. I personally know govt workers that were laid off due to covid but you have no clue and make baseless winger claims like this. 

So you are refuting using anecdotal evidence?   Inadmissible.   Just a little research shows me no evidence of recent federal government lay offs. 

Which ones should have been laid off?   Probably none and I can find none.  A good number should have been fired outright for making up policies and saying they were based in science.  Fired for lying to the American public.   Fired for getting media companies to censor and lie about it.   Just about everything they censored and caused to be censored is now clearly known as truth.  

mspart

[1032004]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

No need to even look it up.  Zero government employees lost their jobs.   Thousands private sector workers lost their jobs.  

mspart

This report from the Census Bureau (ironically just released yesterday) disagrees with you.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/11/pandemic-effects-on-employment.html

 

[mspart]

How many of those are because the worker wouldn't take the jab.   There were quite a number here in WA that were /are in that boat.   In fact many of the Ferry workers were let go because of this.  

Plus this was talking about federal employees.  Your site only talks about state and local employees.  

Next.

mspart

[Lipdrag]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

Which government workers should have been laid off due to covid? 

Non-essentials.  We were very quickly able to categorize people into that category.

[1032004]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

How many of those are because the worker wouldn't take the jab.   There were quite a number here in WA that were /are in that boat.   In fact many of the Ferry workers were let go because of this.  

Plus this was talking about federal employees.  Your site only talks about state and local employees.  

Next.

mspart

Fair enough on the federal point.

TBH, I’m not sure what @ionel was even getting at with that question.  The earlier chart was per capita spending, not payroll.   It was probably unemployment payments which drove the increases during the recession and pandemic, so laying someone off but then paying them unemployment probably doesn’t save a ton of net tax dollars.

Edited November 21 by 1032004

[Caveira]

Joy Reid waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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[Bigbrog]

19 hours ago, Caveira said:

Joy Reid waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYkbuXtp/

I saw this...absolutely crazy and delusional

[Offthemat]

“A recently reprinted memoir by Frederick Douglass has footnotes explaining what
words like "arraigned," "curried" and "exculpate" meant, and explaining who Job was. In other words, this man who was born a slave and never went to school educated himself to the point where his words now have to be explained to today's expensively under-educated generation.”

Thomas Sowell

 

This is evidence that the department of education is a complete failure. 

[RockLobster]

12 hours ago, Offthemat said:

“A recently reprinted memoir by Frederick Douglass has footnotes explaining what
words like "arraigned," "curried" and "exculpate" meant, and explaining who Job was. In other words, this man who was born a slave and never went to school educated himself to the point where his words now have to be explained to today's expensively under-educated generation.”

Thomas Sowell

This is evidence that the department of education is a complete failure. 

1 book, 1 author, and you judge the department of education as a "complete failure"?

Stand back, take a breath, get some input from smart people around you...

And then stop being a twit with your childish judgment of the DOE.

Edited December 1 by RockLobster

[Husker_Du]

 

[Lipdrag]

12 hours ago, RockLobster said:

1 book, 1 author, and you judge the department of education as a "complete failure"?

You infer the wrong conclusion.  The writer is using one example to illustrate the multiple decade decline in American educational achievement since the Department of Ed was started.  A decline in educational achievement is prima facie evidence of complete failure for a department whose mission is the opposite..  Your inability to understand that is yet another example.

[Bigbrog]

20 hours ago, Lipdrag said:

You infer the wrong conclusion.  The writer is using one example to illustrate the multiple decade decline in American educational achievement since the Department of Ed was started.  A decline in educational achievement is prima facie evidence of complete failure for a department whose mission is the opposite..  Your inability to understand that is yet another example.

But I thought Offthemat was the "twit" with "childish judgment"??

[RockLobster]

On 12/1/2024 at 12:16 PM, Lipdrag said:

You infer the wrong conclusion.  The writer is using one example to illustrate the multiple decade decline in American educational achievement since the Department of Ed was started.  A decline in educational achievement is prima facie evidence of complete failure for a department whose mission is the opposite..  Your inability to understand that is yet another example.

No, not at all.

What happened is that you missed the posters point entirely and went off on a tangent of your own choosing.

Maybe education achievement has declined. Maybe the standards testing has become more stringent, resulting in the perception of decline. It's very difficult, if not impossible to know for sure.

How any of that is evidence of "complete failure" is laughably ridiculous. Don't blame the DOE with zero evidence.

You are a complete tool. Can you understand that? I can provide a definition if you can't find it on google.

[RockLobster]

16 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

But I thought Offthemat was the "twit" with "childish judgment"??

Yes, you thought right.

[Offthemat]

10 hours ago, RockLobster said:

No, not at all.

What happened is that you missed the posters point entirely and went off on a tangent of your own choosing.

Maybe education achievement has declined. Maybe the standards testing has become more stringent, resulting in the perception of decline. It's very difficult, if not impossible to know for sure.

How any of that is evidence of "complete failure" is laughably ridiculous. Don't blame the DOE with zero evidence.

You are a complete tool. Can you understand that? I can provide a definition if you can't find it on google.

He got it exactly right.  It is you, again, that is off on your own personal tangent. 

[RockLobster]

13 hours ago, Offthemat said:

He got it exactly right.  It is you, again, that is off on your own personal tangent. 

I believe that education achievement, overall, has actually increased since 2020.

The only evidence I see for the failure of education achievement would be posters like you here. A lack of any skillful use of logic, rationale, or communication.

Something that could be overcome with further education. This, I heartily recommend.

[Offthemat]

5 hours ago, RockLobster said:

I believe that education achievement, overall, has actually increased since 2020.

I can see how you might conclude that. 

[red viking]

I  think it's funny how we have this DOGE movement but the two biggest and fastest growing govt programs, social security and Medicare, are "off limits." 

Gutless cowards. 

[Offthemat]

 

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[Caveira]

50% increase 

[mspart]

https://www.pacificresearch.org/why-high-school-graduates-turn-out-to-be-college-illiterates/

Education Week recently pointed out that high school graduates’ “college readiness has reached historic lows, according to several metrics—including the lowest scores in 30 years on the ACT and declining scores on the SAT, the two primary standardized tests used for college admissions.”

The ACT measures college readiness in English composition, social sciences, algebra, and biology.  Janet Godwin, the head of the ACT, told Education Week: “Fewer students leaving high school are meeting all four college readiness benchmarks [on ACT tests].  Just 21 percent of high school seniors are meeting all of these benchmarks; 43 percent of students meet none of them.”

... A major study by the ACT found that from 2010 to 2022 the grade point average in high school English, math, science, and social studies courses among students taking the ACT college-entrance test increased year over year, while their ACT scores decreased in every one of those subjects.

... In an essay for Slate, Professor Adam Kotsko of North Central College in Illinois said he used to assign 30 pages of reading per class, but, “Now students are intimidated by anything over 10 pages and seem to walk away from readings of as little as 20 pages with no real understanding.”

“Considerable class time,” he said, “is taken up simply establishing what happened in a story or the basic steps of an argument—skills I used to be able to take for granted.”

DOE is doing a marvelous job aren't they?

mspart

[mspart]

Here's some statstics for DOE,  

DOE was established in 1979.   Kids who were 6 years old then are now 50 years old.   So that would be a majority of folks now living grew up with DOE in the federal government.

https://www.abtaba.com/blog/us-literacy-statistics

Top 10 Key US Literacy Statistics

1. 14% of adults in the US can't read.
2. 21% of adults in the US read below a 5th-grade level.
3. 19% of high school graduates in the US can't read.
4. 85% of juveniles in the US court system are functionally illiterate.
5. 70% of inmates in the US prison system can't read above a 4th-grade level.
6. 45 million adults in the US are functionally illiterate.
7. 50% of adults in the US can't read a book written at an eighth-grade level.
8. 75% of Americans who receive food stamps perform at the lowest two levels of literacy.
9. 43% of adults with the lowest literacy skills live in poverty.
10. 3 out of 4 food stamp recipients perform at the lowest two levels of literacy.

DOE is a complete and utter failure by any measure except spending increasing amounts of money to get the above results.   DOE fosters the the road to dependency as outlined in item 10. 

So now anyone, try to justify the existence of the Department of Education.  

mspart

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

Here's some statstics for DOE,  

DOE was established in 1979.   Kids who were 6 years old then are now 50 years old.   So that would be a majority of folks now living grew up with DOE in the federal government.

https://www.abtaba.com/blog/us-literacy-statistics

Top 10 Key US Literacy Statistics

1. 14% of adults in the US can't read.
2. 21% of adults in the US read below a 5th-grade level.
3. 19% of high school graduates in the US can't read.
4. 85% of juveniles in the US court system are functionally illiterate.
5. 70% of inmates in the US prison system can't read above a 4th-grade level.
6. 45 million adults in the US are functionally illiterate.
7. 50% of adults in the US can't read a book written at an eighth-grade level.
8. 75% of Americans who receive food stamps perform at the lowest two levels of literacy.
9. 43% of adults with the lowest literacy skills live in poverty.
10. 3 out of 4 food stamp recipients perform at the lowest two levels of literacy.

DOE is a complete and utter failure by any measure except spending increasing amounts of money to get the above results.   DOE fosters the the road to dependency as outlined in item 10. 

So now anyone, try to justify the existence of the Department of Education.  

mspart

Baltimore.   Chicago.  Name me some blue big cities that have good public school programs?

[mspart]

The reputation that "inner city" schools have always had is based on big blue cities.   And that reputation is not for excellence. 

mspart

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

The reputation that "inner city" schools have always had is based on big blue cities.   And that reputation is not for excellence. 

mspart

I hear ya.