Flo Leaks Blaze to PSU Ahead of Announcement

[MPhillips]

2 minutes ago, Idaho said:

HEY HEY  guys ... let's tone it down a little. 

Mea culpa...

[VakAttack]

I don't understand.  The two things were separate.  Pyles apologized, said it was there error.  Separately, he (rightfully) called out the white knighting of people who claimed they were so aghast at the error and how it ruined Blaze's moment,  all while conveniently amplifying the news so MORE people saw it (thus exacerbating Blaze's perceived loss) just to dunk on Flo/get the street cred.  He never said it was other people's fault that Flo screwed up.

The way people act as apology police is insane to me.  "He apologized, but not in the exact way I arbitrarily wanted him to!"

[dragit]

14 hours ago, SNL Wrestling said:

CP spoke on it on FRL!

 

 

 

 

Putting aside the wishy washy nature of his stayenent, I really don't understand the point of it. 

He says they had the story and made a mistake by publishing it.  He also says they didn't have the intel from the wrestler or his family or his program or the college, or that anyone had told them this information off the record on the condition that they not use it. 

So why was it a mistake for a wrestling news website to alert its readers what it had learned?  

[1032004]

2 hours ago, dragit said:

Putting aside the wishy washy nature of his stayenent, I really don't understand the point of it. 

He says they had the story and made a mistake by publishing it.  He also says they didn't have the intel from the wrestler or his family or his program or the college, or that anyone had told them this information off the record on the condition that they not use it. 

So why was it a mistake for a wrestling news website to alert its readers what it had learned?  

I thought they did say they knew.

But it is pretty standard to let kids announce their commitments themselves.  Ironically one of the people who “amplified” their error here has repeatedly been called out for leaking commitments before kids make them.

I kinda agree with Vak, I thought what they said was fine.  They did take responsibility, but called out the truth that not many people would have known if others didn’t amplify the error.  By talking about it on FRL they made even more people aware of their mistake that probably hadn’t even seen it, I wouldn’t have been surprised if they didn’t address it at all.  Flo probably should have deleted their own social media posts about it though.

[1032004]

7 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Pyles can only block me on X once.....and he did it years ago for almost no reason.

You can now view posts of users who have blocked you, fwiw

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 hours ago, VakAttack said:

There clearly is a personal issue.  Willie reposted a video from Martin a month or so ago where Martin again went hard in the paint after Pyles.  It seemed to be related to Pyles allegedly telling people he was concerned with Martin's mental health.

Did the video add to our concern?  It doesn't seem to be the best move!

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

7 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I don't understand.  The two things were separate.  Pyles apologized, said it was there error.  Separately, he (rightfully) called out the white knighting of people who claimed they were so aghast at the error and how it ruined Blaze's moment,  all while conveniently amplifying the news so MORE people saw it (thus exacerbating Blaze's perceived loss) just to dunk on Flo/get the street cred.  He never said it was other people's fault that Flo screwed up.

The way people act as apology police is insane to me.  "He apologized, but not in the exact way I arbitrarily wanted him to!"

I never would have seen it if several clowns didn't post it on their social media platforms in an effort to bash flo.  I also wasn't overly surprised as this has been a very strong an believable rumor since late spring/early summer.

[TylerDurden]

This is 100% on Flo for jumping the gun and they did undercut the moment for Blaze. That's not really debatable, even if you think you knew what his decision was going to be. It's bad form and they, rightfully, apologized and edited the article online - but this is the internet and the internet never forgets. They are considered a legitimate source of wrestling news, so when they post it, people tend to believe it, run with it and comment. The need a better editorial process in their line of business. 

People who called them out for it did amplify it - but it still isn't their fault Flo posted it. There are people who like to dunk on Flo and call out their errors and that doesn't make Flo happy. Flo shouldn't be upset at people calling out the error, they should fix the error (they did) and the process that leads to these type of errors. The dunkers are trolls and have internet platforms that allow them a disproportionate voice to harp on even the smallest of errors, but that's the world we live in. 

Mistakes will happen. They happen in every industry, every day. But Flo can't be so thin-skinned that it can't take deserved criticism without blaming someone else for something. Don't externalize your mistake. Own it, apologize and move on. 

[Fletcher]

Why does Flo have so many haters? Is it just the 10 minute soliloquys and occasional poor live feeds or is it something more? 

[fishbane]

8 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I don't understand.  The two things were separate.  Pyles apologized, said it was there error.  Separately, he (rightfully) called out the white knighting of people who claimed they were so aghast at the error and how it ruined Blaze's moment,  all while conveniently amplifying the news so MORE people saw it (thus exacerbating Blaze's perceived loss) just to dunk on Flo/get the street cred.  He never said it was other people's fault that Flo screwed up.

Flo announcing it early is news.  It would have received its own thread here and tweets with screen captures regardless of people dunking on Flo.  If Mineo had worded his tweet in a more neutral way like "Flowrestling announces Marcus Blaze's commitment to PSU in a since edited article." It would have had the same effect as "Someone is getting in trouble" with a laughing emoji.  

I don't even think Mineo taking pleasure in Flo's screw up fits the definition of white knighting.  Nor do I consider this post to be that.  So who exactly is Pyles calling out and what reach do they have?  A few replies in thread like this or retweet/comments on Mineo's tweet.  That's likely in the noise and not worth doing since Pyles and Spey explaining it took longer than the actual apology.

8 hours ago, VakAttack said:

The way people act as apology police is insane to me.  "He apologized, but not in the exact way I arbitrarily wanted him to!"

This reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where George was expecting an apology and didn't exactly get what he wanted. 

"All right, George, all right, I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. I'm so sorry that I didn't want your rather bulbous head struggling to find its way through the normal-sized neckhole of my finely knit sweater."

George should have been happy with that! Lol.

[MNRodent]

They announced something prematurely. They apologized to the family. The family said its fine, no problemo. This should be the end of the story, but random people online are still losing their minds over it.

 

[Pinnacle]

This internet user is now gonna White Knight Pykes for him White Knighting Internet Users for White Knighting Flo. 

Just own it for God's sake. You started all this when you F'd up.

[fishbane]

2 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

This internet user is now gonna White Knight Pykes for him White Knighting Internet Users for White Knighting Flo. 

Just own it for God's sake. You started all this when you F'd up.

Exactly.  Just apologize.  To many the call out will sounds like they are attempting to shift blame.  Like they were really saying "We're sorry, but fewer than 200 people say our mistake directly.  It was all you haters calling us out that really ruined the announcement."  This will only fuel more criticism by their haters. 

 

[fishbane]

6 hours ago, 1032004 said:

But it is pretty standard to let kids announce their commitments themselves.  Ironically one of the people who “amplified” their error here has repeatedly been called out for leaking commitments before kids make them.

Yeah, but the ironic part isn't Minnow amplifying their error - that was totally expected.  The unexpected bit is that Flo was the source of the leak that preempted the announcement this time.  Calling Minnow out as the one that ruined the announcement isn't any kind of gotcha on Minnow it's literally something he does on the regular.  The thing that ruined it more than a normal Minnow tweet/post was that was that he was able to quote Flo as a source instead of an unnamed source which may have just been a rumor or straight up guess.  For Minnow to make a gaff of similar gravity to Flo's misstep he'd have to accidentally include the name of an insider source in a tweet for something like that.

6 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I kinda agree with Vak, I thought what they said was fine.  They did take responsibility, but called out the truth that not many people would have known if others didn’t amplify the error.  By talking about it on FRL they made even more people aware of their mistake that probably hadn’t even seen it, I wouldn’t have been surprised if they didn’t address it at all.  Flo probably should have deleted their own social media posts about it though.

It sounds like they are blame shifting.  Like they are implying the people talking about it are more to blame than Flo for preempting the announcement.   Only 200 people got it directly from Flo and if they didn't tell anyone it would have been fine, but 100,000 people found out early because of the white knight haters.  Of course people are going to talk about it - it's big news and they got it early from Flo a reputable source.  I am sure more people were talking about it from its newsworthiness than simply a hating on Flo angle and when there was hate it was often a mixed with a response to the news itself.

I think the thing to do is to apologize and it's fine to say the steps taken to address it - edit the article promptly, reach out to the family, etc. but end it there. Could you imagine a legitimate news outlet doing this?  Like an anchor at NBC, CNN, Fox News, ESPN, ect trying to argue people criticizing their mistake was somehow more damaging than the mistake itself.  It makes no sense and it wouldn't go good.

[MPhillips]

It was, "chicken shi te" of Pyle and Spey to say anything other than, 'Sorry, we messed up.'  How anyone can defend them by using this, 'white knight' BS or any other nonsense is as silly as me responding again...

 

Edited November 14 by MPhillips

[VakAttack]

 

 

26 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

It was, "chicken shi te" of Pyle and Spey to say anything other than, 'Sorry, we messed up.'  How anyone can defend them by using this, 'white knight' BS or any other nonsense is as silly as me responding again...

 

Nobody is defending the mistake (that was apparently made by Kozak per above).  The two things are separate from one another.  The only people that needed an apology were apologized to.  They're allowed to also comment on the attacks levied against them.  Those are not something they caused or generated, nobody had to write them.  Nobody besides the Blaze family was entitled to an apology. 

To me this is just all people who already don't like Flo and Pyles grabbing onto another reason to go at them/him.

[Idaho]

Minnow didn't actually break the news of the article mistake... it was a PSU fan group member that posted the article mistake that revealed he was going to PSU and it spread  from there. look at the Wrestling Room page - it was posted in there before Minnnow posted.   Funny how they blame his page,  but he wasn't the one who actually revealed it...he just poured the gas on. Also interesting is that Pyles didn't write the article.

Edited November 14 by Idaho

[strange_daze]

The world, and the wrestling community, is full of real problems. This is not one of them.

[Gus]

4 hours ago, MNRodent said:

They announced something prematurely. They apologized to the family. The family said its fine, no problemo. This should be the end of the story, but random people online are still losing their minds over it.

 

The made a mistake and announced something that was going to be announced anyway, prematurely. Whooptie-doo! There are far too many real problems in the world to spend actual energy worry about something like this. Y'all should take this energy down to your local old folks homes/children's hospitals and go visit some people.

[fishbane]

 

22 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Minnow didn't actually break the news of the article mistake... it was a PSU fan group member that posted the article mistake that revealed he was going to PSU and it spread  from there. look at the Wrestling Room page - it was posted in there before Minnnow posted.   Funny how they blame his page,  but he wasn't the one who actually revealed it...he just poured the gas on. Also interesting is that Pyles didn't write the article.

Minnow was also entirely correct in the tweet he made. "Someone is getting in trouble!"  Someone did get in trouble.  Spey admitted that in the discussion on FRL.  He said "We took the responsible party out back in the alley earlier and beat the crap out of him as punishment."  

Were they talking about Minnow in the white knight discussion?  It doesn't really make sense to call Minnow's tweet that was copied here that of a "white knight." Minnow is closer to schadenfreude than standing up for Blaze or outrage on his behalf.  If Pyles is actually talking about people who expressed outrage on behalf of Blaze on twitter ahead of the announcement, he is addressing fewer than 10 individuals of limited social media reach.  Why even bother to address them? If he's talking about Minnow then I think he is incorrect.

From Minnow's vantage point I understand the amusement.  Before calling out the "white knights" Pyles said they had Blaze's decision earlier from indirect sources (Not the Blaze family, not Perrysburg, not PSU), but didn't talk about it publicly like "other podcasts."  I get the impression Flo considers themselves to be above that and better than Minnow and "other podcasts" (to a certain extent they are correct), but to hold that opinion and then accidentally leak the biggest recruiting announcement of the year...  I would be laughing too.

[1032004]

2 hours ago, fishbane said:

Could you imagine a legitimate news outlet doing this?  Like an anchor at NBC, CNN, Fox News, ESPN, ect trying to argue people criticizing their mistake was somehow more damaging than the mistake itself.  It makes no sense and it wouldn't go good.

I don’t feel that they said the criticism was “more damaging.”  IMO they acknowledged that it was ultimately their fault.  Just stating a fact that that’s how more people became aware of it. 

[Fletcher]

6 hours ago, MNRodent said:

They announced something prematurely. They apologized to the family. The family said its fine, no problemo. This should be the end of the story, but random people online are still losing their minds over it.

 

I have empathy for people who do things prematurely.

[Fletcher]

53 minutes ago, fishbane said:

 

 but to hold that opinion and then accidentally leak the biggest recruiting announcement of the year...  I would be laughing too.

Whoa there buddy - biggest recruiting announcement of the year?

Somebody who has a weekly countdown and loves Jesus would like a word.

[fishbane]

32 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

Whoa there buddy - biggest recruiting announcement of the year?

Somebody who has a weekly countdown and loves Jesus would like a word.

If he gets it out in 2024 I'll be sure and send him my apology without mentioning any of my haters.

Edited November 14 by fishbane

[steamboat_charlie]

Can someone fill me in on why you can't report on a recruit's commitment prior to their official signing?  

Are we assuming they were told this information off the record, with the understanding that they wouldn't release any info until after Blaze made his own announcement?  If that's the case I understand, but otherwise I don't see a problem with it.