Lunaticfringe Posted November 1 Posted November 1 Nelson Brands is the most overrated wrestler in the country. Patrick Kennedy and him should be a coin flip at best for him based on his overall results. He had one good Ncaa tourney where he kept matches low scoring and snuck out some late wins. If his name was Nelson Peterson, nobody would give a damn.
Hammerlock3 Posted November 1 Posted November 1 13 minutes ago, Lunaticfringe said: Nelson Brands is the most overrated wrestler in the country. Patrick Kennedy and him should be a coin flip at best for him based on his overall results. He had one good Ncaa tourney where he kept matches low scoring and snuck out some late wins. If his name was Nelson Peterson, nobody would give a damn. thats not a hot take its an accusation based on nothing. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
lu1979 Posted November 2 Posted November 2 10 minutes ago, wrestle87 said: Okie State will vie for a title out of the gate The Big 12 title - absolutely 1
nhs67 Posted November 2 Posted November 2 15 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: thats not a hot take its an accusation based on nothing. You are correct in that it isn't a hot take. You are incorrect in the usage of the word accusation as well as the following statement of based on nothing. He deduced, based off the rest of his career aside for one tournament, that he is overrated. It isn't a hot take because it is true and widely believed. Prior to NCAAs he was 10W-6L (62.5% WP) and seeded 11th (not to place). He beat four guys who had better seasons than him to place 5th. He then took a year off - much of it not training because he thought his competitive career was done. It is a fair deduction for him to say he is overrated. It isn't a hot take, though. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Caveira Posted November 2 Posted November 2 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: You are correct in that it isn't a hot take. You are incorrect in the usage of the word accusation as well as the following statement of based on nothing. He deduced, based off the rest of his career aside for one tournament, that he is overrated. It isn't a hot take because it is true and widely believed. Prior to NCAAs he was 10W-6L (62.5% WP) and seeded 11th (not to place). He beat four guys who had better seasons than him to place 5th. He then took a year off - much of it not training because he thought his competitive career was done. It is a fair deduction for him to say he is overrated. It isn't a hot take, though. How do you know he didn’t train?
Hammerlock3 Posted November 2 Posted November 2 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: You are correct in that it isn't a hot take. You are incorrect in the usage of the word accusation as well as the following statement of based on nothing. He deduced, based off the rest of his career aside for one tournament, that he is overrated. It isn't a hot take because it is true and widely believed. Prior to NCAAs he was 10W-6L (62.5% WP) and seeded 11th (not to place). He beat four guys who had better seasons than him to place 5th. He then took a year off - much of it not training because he thought his competitive career was done. It is a fair deduction for him to say he is overrated. It isn't a hot take, though. He's also insinuating that he wouldn't be in the lineup if not for nepotism, thats an accusation in my book. Also what is the idea that he's overrated based on? That we know his name? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
nhs67 Posted November 2 Posted November 2 3 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: He's also insinuating that he wouldn't be in the lineup if not for nepotism, thats an accusation in my book. Also what is the idea that he's overrated based on? That we know his name? I laid out the reasons for his being overrated already. It is based off of his entire career and not one tournament. 3 hours ago, Caveira said: How do you know he didn’t train? He wasn't near a wrestling mat for much of it. Not unless he took it climbing with him. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
ionel Posted November 2 Posted November 2 6 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Penn State doesn't get a trophy .
Hammerlock3 Posted November 2 Posted November 2 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: I laid out the reasons for his being overrated already. It is based off of his entire career and not one tournament. Having a good tournament doesn't make you overrated, people talking about you're ability in an exaggerated fashion for faulty reasons does. Who is talking up Nelson Brands? I don't see anyone. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
JBluegill133 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Semi Luke warm take - barraclough ncaa finalist Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 1 "Look good, feel good, wrestle good." - J Jaggers
Hammerlock3 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 58 minutes ago, JBluegill133 said: Semi Luke warm take - barraclough ncaa finalist Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk thats a hot take to me. 2 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
WildTurk Posted November 3 Posted November 3 11 hours ago, nhs67 said: You are correct in that it isn't a hot take. You are incorrect in the usage of the word accusation as well as the following statement of based on nothing. He deduced, based off the rest of his career aside for one tournament, that he is overrated. It isn't a hot take because it is true and widely believed. Prior to NCAAs he was 10W-6L (62.5% WP) and seeded 11th (not to place). He beat four guys who had better seasons than him to place 5th. He then took a year off - much of it not training because he thought his competitive career was done. It is a fair deduction for him to say he is overrated. It isn't a hot take, though. What is he rated? What should he be rated? Most places i see him predicted around mid AA. 1
Pinnacle Posted November 3 Posted November 3 13 hours ago, JBluegill133 said: Semi Luke warm take - barraclough ncaa finalist Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk He wrestled well against 3rd ranked Stanford, but this is still a hot take.
nhs67 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 16 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: Having a good tournament doesn't make you overrated, people talking about you're ability in an exaggerated fashion for faulty reasons does. Who is talking up Nelson Brands? I don't see anyone. Having one good tournament and a 60% win percentage with many losses to non-AA then taking a year off can and does - as seen by his squeeker of a 2-1 gift...err... win last night. Also you must not follow much, at all. Almost every media outlet is picking him to high AA regardless of 174 or 184. 12 hours ago, WildTurk said: What is he rated? What should he be rated? Most places i see him predicted around mid AA. Predictions =/= rankings =/= ratings. He is rated at #10 on wrestlestat using an unbiased algorithm. That seems about right and still doesn't take in to account the uncertainty of his long layoff (did not look good last night) or the uncertainty of his postseason weight. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Hammerlock3 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: Having one good tournament and a 60% win percentage with many losses to non-AA then taking a year off can and does - as seen by his squeeker of a 2-1 gift...err... win last night. Also you must not follow much, at all. Almost every media outlet is picking him to high AA regardless of 174 or 184. Your first point has nothing to do with what we are talking about. What media outlets? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
nhs67 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said: Your first point has nothing to do with what we are talking about. What media outlets? Flo, WIN, Rokfin, Intermat, most folks on twatter who fancy themselves somebody. Also, the first point is entirely valid. Just because you say it isn't doesn't mean it isn't. You are categorically wrong. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Hammerlock3 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 10 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Flo, WIN, Rokfin, Intermat, most folks on twatter who fancy themselves somebody. Also, the first point is entirely valid. Just because you say it isn't doesn't mean it isn't. You are categorically wrong. one example please. stop doing your "cause i said so" routine. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Maxwell Smart Posted November 3 Posted November 3 He watched Will Lewan and adopted his style last year. Boring to watch but worked well for both in the NCAA's. 1
nhs67 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said: one example please. stop doing your "cause i said so" routine. One example of what? I gave you examples already. Quit being a fckn idiot simply because you are a fckn idiot. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Hammerlock3 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 10 minutes ago, nhs67 said: One example of what? I gave you examples already. Quit being a fckn idiot simply because you are a fckn idiot. You: He's overrated. Me: What do you base that on? You: Everything, and I can throw in condescending jargon to prove it. Me: can you be more specific? You: You're an idiot. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
nhs67 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 11 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: You: He's overrated. Me: What do you base that on? You: Everything, and I can throw in condescending jargon to prove it. Me: can you be more specific? You: You're an idiot. I gave examples. You are choosing to be a complete moron, which is what we all should expect as par for the course with you. I am sorry I expected you to be able to read. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Hammerlock3 Posted November 3 Posted November 3 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nhs67 said: I gave examples. You are choosing to be a complete moron, which is what we all should expect as par for the course with you. I am sorry I expected you to be able to read. You just listed some outlets and presumed to ventriloquize them, thats not evidence. How about this i'll take a poll, "will nelson brands place top 4" if it comes up over 50% you win, sound fair enough? And take it easy with the name calling, you're coming off a little emotional. Edited November 3 by Hammerlock3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
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