Gus Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 57 minutes ago, H82Lose said: there is 100% truth to the rumor. Here is the absolute head scratcher for me, I was told Ech only weighed 148 after practice...Who the heck knows Interesting. Perhaps Ech just hates cutting weight. I thought he looked big at 141 last year but some guys just carry weight differently (i.e. Ryan Deakin). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 I would assume Ech loses crazy weight when he sweats just because he carries so much water in his muscles but maybe those last few pounds when he's dehydrated are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 if Casey navigates 141 I think he's a contender. I however think it will negatively affect what makes him so good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Just now, Truzzcat said: if Casey navigates 141 I think he's a contender. I however think it will negatively affect what makes him so good. Contender to AA or title contender? I don't see him in the Mendez/Alirez/Barlett tier. I think he would be a tier 2 or 3 guy that would be a contender to AA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2 minutes ago, Gus said: Contender to AA or title contender? I don't see him in the Mendez/Alirez/Barlett tier. I think he would be a tier 2 or 3 guy that would be a contender to AA. Nobody gave him a shot against Mendez the last two times they wrestled, either. 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 5 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Nobody gave him a shot against Mendez the last two times they wrestled, either. A lot has transpired since Swid and Mendez last wrestled lol. Like Jesse Mendez winning an NCAA title and being an absolute hammer. I am not sure that Swid and Mendez have the same level of commitment year round to being the best in the world at wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 46 minutes ago, Gus said: Contender to AA or title contender? I don't see him in the Mendez/Alirez/Barlett tier. I think he would be a tier 2 or 3 guy that would be a contender to AA. if you put Beau,Jesse,Alirez tier 1 I would say he slots in comfortably tier 2 assuming he manages the cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 39 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: if you put Beau,Jesse,Alirez tier 1 I would say he slots in comfortably tier 2 assuming he manages the cut. I would agree with that. I would probably put Hardy, Lemley, Orine, Happel, Koderhandt and Vombaur into tier 2 with Swiderski. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 3 hours ago, Truzzcat said: will they wrestle semis and the finals tonight of the weights with four guys? Not to my knowledge. Those are the bouts. Lehigh does them as more of an exhibition- not as formal wrestleoffs anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gus said: I would agree with that. I would probably put Hardy, Lemley, Orine, Happel, Koderhandt and Vombaur into tier 2 with Swiderski. I don't think any of the gents you mentioned are Tier 2. To me Tier 2 should be able to beat Tier 1. I don't see any of them beating Alirez or Mendez. Bartlett? Sure. 141 Tiers to me: Tier 1 - Mendez(tOSU), Alirez(UNC) Tier 2 - Bartlett(PSU) Tier 3 - Hardy(UN), Happel(UNI) Tier 4 - Lemley(UofM), Koderhandt(Navy), Schwartz(OU), Swiderski(ISU) Tier 5 - Vombaur(Minny), Titus(WVU), Vasquez(ASU), Cornella(Corn), Edmond(Mizzou) Tier 6 - Henson(LHU), Composito(Penn), Hines (Leh), Olivieri(Rut), Need to see more - Cannon(NW), Hughes,(OSU), Orine(NCSt), Latona (VT) All four of the 'see more' gents are coming up from 133. Not everyone can do that, and until we see that with them, they don't get 'Tiered' by me. This is kind of from the hip, and I am sorry if I missed someone. I could see Swiderski being argued in to Tier 5 because he has losses to two guys in that tier, however I could see him beating Hardy and Happel. Tier 5 is a complete shitshow. They could lose or beat anyone from 4-6, so that is a fun go-round. *Keep in mind the way my 'tiers' work is that you can beat an opponent one above you and lose to an opponent one below you, but you shouldn't expect to beat or lose to someone greater than one tier away from you unless injury or pinfellery or something out of the ordinary happens Edit: Keep in mind we have a sample sizing of Swiderski at 141lbs as well. It wasn't nearly as good as last year at 149lbs. Was that due to weight management, youth, or a mixture of both? Edited October 24 by nhs67 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 5 hours ago, H82Lose said: Os is not used to this college cutting, and staying down. He is doing good, and adapting for sure. I think you are right, he is prolly a lifetime 125. Frost is cutting his balls off, he and Grice are cutting really hard. As far a Terukina, I am so back and forth with him. You go watch him, when he wants to go, he is pretty tough, but it is just in spurts. In my personal opinion, Dresser wants someone consistent. Os could be the dude. BUT Grice is tough as heck; the problem is he is kinda of inconsistent, too. Any concerns with Grice's gas tank down at 125? I know it's way to early to tell, but just asking. An Oz-Figs matchup at the ASU dual would be fun to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killdozer Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 (edited) MIzzou Wrestleoffs Tonight at 6 PM CST Matches Bout Weight Gold Black 1 125 Luqman Masud Gage Walker 2 125 Jake Crapps Mack Mauger 3 141 Easton Hilton Owen Uhls 4 141 Josh Edmond Jace Roller 5 149 Zeke Seltzer Carter McCallister 6 165 Jeremy Jakowitsch Kolten Oborny 7 174 Jake Stoffel Logan Cole 8 174/184 Owen Uppinghouse Tommy Hagan 9 285 Cole Gripka Jarrett Stoner 10 125 Bout 1 Winner Bout 2 Winner 11 133 Trey Crawford Drew Stanfield 12 141 Bout 3 Winner Bout 4 Winner 13 149 Bout 5 Winner Logan Gioffre 14 157 James Conway Joel Mylin 15 165 Bout 6 Winner Cam Steed 16 174 Bout 8 Winner Keegan O'Toole 17 285 Seth Nitzel Bout 9 Winner Edited October 25 by killdozer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 49 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6. Gonzalez lost to Bassett last year 11-1 as well. He also lost to Ragusin 8-5 and 7-6(TB1). "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 55 minutes ago, Truzzcat said: Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6. This is relevant imo. Combine with Bouzakis' inconsistency, I think we have a roster battle brewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphTJones Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Truzzcat said: Not that Margin of victory means a ton especially when you extrapolate out over a year but Ben davino beat Andre Gonzalez 11-1 in their wrestle off. Gonzalez wrestled off Bouzakis for the spot last year and Bouzakis beat him 7-6. I was glad to see Davino control Gonzales, Bouzakis needs to step up or he may lose his spot. True frehman E'than Birden lost 1-1 to returning starter Hepner at 165. Birden solid D needs to work on some offense during his RS year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barracuda141 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 10 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: This is relevant imo. Combine with Bouzakis' inconsistency, I think we have a roster battle brewing. Agreed. In fact, I believe Davino is the favorite to win the spot. Bouzakis' brutish style isn't conducive to major collegiate success. Takes a little more than a head in the hole cradle, and cow catcher to win. Also..just went 0-1 at u23 worlds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 I see Davino and Bouzakis both getting starts and the decision carrying out into January. 1 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 54 minutes ago, Barracuda141 said: Agreed. In fact, I believe Davino is the favorite to win the spot. Bouzakis' brutish style isn't conducive to major collegiate success. Takes a little more than a head in the hole cradle, and cow catcher to win. Also..just went 0-1 at u23 worlds You're missing relevant information with this. If you want to include that he went 0W - 1L at U23s, you must also recognize that he not only won, but dominated the U23 61 KG trials. That bracket included Ayala, Nagao, Phipps, Noto, Serrano, and many other NQ type wrestlers. . 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingfan22 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: You're missing relevant information with this. If you want to include that he went 0W - 1L at U23s, you must also recognize that he not only won, but dominated the U23 61 KG trials. That bracket included Ayala, Nagao, Phipps, Noto, Serrano, and many other NQ type wrestlers. . Yeah if NCAA switched the National Tournament to Freestyle Bouzakis would be the favorite for the 133lb title IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingfan22 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 I can definitely see Bouzakis losing the spot to Davino but anyone that uses freestyle as a reason for him being inconsistent isn't paying attention. He has been a dominant domestic freestyle force at tOSU and even back to HS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingfan22 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Stanich ended up not competing in the Lehigh Wrestle Offs. Any knowledge anyone has on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingfan22 Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Pitt has their intrasquad tonight: Match 1: 125 - Tommy Link vs Colyn Limbert Match 2: 125 - Tyler Chappell vs Matt Marlow Match 3: 149 - Finn Solomon vs Connor Swaim Match 4: 149 - Jack Pletcher vs Kade Brown Match 5: 165 - Kelin Laffey vs Mateo De La Pena Match 6: 125 -Nick Babin vs Winner Match 1 Match 7: 133 - Vincent Santaniello vs Jordan Villareal Match 8: 141 - Briar Priest vs Anthony Santaniello Match 9: 174 - Luca Augustine vs Jack Tongel Match 10: 184 - Chase Kranitz vs Reece Heller Match 11: 197 - Mac Stout vs Daniel Gurovich Match 12: 285 - Bryson Harrington vs Dayton Pitzer Match 13: 165 - Jared Keslar vs Winner Match 5 Match 14: 125 - Winner Match 6 vs Winner Match 2 Match 15: 149 - Winner Match 3 vs Winner Match 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 Purdue wrestle-offs will be shown on BTN+ tonight at 7PM eastern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 17 minutes ago, wrestlingfan22 said: Stanich ended up not competing in the Lehigh Wrestle Offs. Any knowledge anyone has on that? sounds like Lehigh doesn't use these wrestle-offs to determine starting spots any longer (if they ever did) and use it as more of an exhibition - per @gimpeltf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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