At the Debate Tonight

[Offthemat]

Will Harris be asked anything about being at the DNC when the pipe bomb was discovered there on Jan 6th?

[mspart]

Doubtful.   Will she be asked anything of substance?   Will she answer with anything of substance?  Trump just has to be quiet while she rambles and everyone will see she is a train wreck worse than Biden.   Unfortunately, we have no good choices in this thing.   Of the two, I'd rather see Trump win both the debate and election.    But I think it will be close in both.

mspart

[jross]

Trump's communication is so off-putting that Kamala could easily come out ahead by being truthful and focusing on policies.

Kamala comes across as so fake, dishonest, and irritating that Trump should  stick to discussing policies and ignore her completely.  

***duck** us all, we definitely need better leaders, and we need critical thinkers.

[headshuck]

It was fun to see Trump tell Kamala to “keep quiet, I’m speaking” before she could. The rest went pretty much as expected.

[WrestlingRasta]

He got his ass kicked, or maybe more accurate, he did his own best debate version of Jim Carey in Liar Liar, and kicked his own ass.  Either way….

This race is over. Even more republicans are going to come out against him now. The’re going to want to do the same thing the Democrats did, but they can’t because they’re too far sunk in the bed. 
 

Bah bye. 

Edited September 11 by WrestlingRasta

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, WrestlingRasta said:

He got his ass kicked, or maybe more accurate, he did his own best debate version of Jim Carey in Liar Liar, and kicked his own ass.  Either way….

This race is over. Even more republicans are going to come out against him now. The’re going to want to do the same thing the Democrats did, but they can’t because they’re too far sunk in the bed. 
 

Bah bye. 

Not true

[Offthemat]

If you have a plan to fix things next year, why haven’t you done it already?

[headshuck]

Funny how the DNC says we can’t wait for the next debate. I guarantee we never see her again. Straight to the basement.

[PortaJohn]

10 hours ago, mspart said:

Will she be asked anything of substance?

She was

10 hours ago, mspart said:

Will she answer with anything of substance?

She didn't

10 hours ago, mspart said:

Trump just has to be quiet while she rambles and everyone will see she is a train wreck worse than Biden.

Impossible

10 hours ago, mspart said:

Unfortunately, we have no good choices in this thing.

Facts

10 hours ago, mspart said:

Of the two, I'd rather see Trump win both the debate and election.    But I think it will be close in both.

The debate won't change anything.  It's relevance is as fake as conventions

[VakAttack]

7 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

If you have a plan to fix things next year, why haven’t you done it already?

*nods vigorously* or maybe even the concept of a plan.

[PortaJohn]

It's comical how voters who already have their minds made  up lie to themselves that debates somehow sway the "other" voters

Edited September 11 by PortaJohn

[Offthemat]

The pollster said the ‘undecideds’ are the low information voters.  

[VakAttack]

Just now, PortaJohn said:

It's comical how voters who already have their minds made  up lie to themselves that debates somehow sway the "other" voters

100%.  This will still be a tight race.  It doesn't matter how titanically insane Trump was tonight.  Debates historically don't mean much.

[PortaJohn]

Just now, VakAttack said:

100%.  This will still be a tight race.  It doesn't matter how titanically insane Trump was tonight.  Debates historically don't mean much.

They don't mean anything.  The race has always been the same race since the start of the election season.  An unpopular incumbency vs an unpopular former president.  Trump has an electoral advantage and the two missing ingredients are A) how fresh is abortion on the minds of suburban women in swing states and b) how well is Trump actually over performing in the polls which is a real thing.  And please no one bring up 2022 polling.  National elections don't poll like midterms

[VakAttack]

5 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

They don't mean anything.  The race has always been the same race since the start of the election season.  An unpopular incumbency vs an unpopular former president.  Trump has an electoral advantage and the two missing ingredients are A) how fresh is abortion on the minds of suburban women in swing states and b) how well is Trump actually over performing in the polls which is a real thing.  And please no one bring up 2022 polling.  National elections don't poll like midterms

I ain't bringing up anything.  I've always thought this would be close.  She's been a better candidate than I anticipated, but candidate quality hardly matters any more, we're so calcified as a voting populace.

[headshuck]

I must say my wife only got vocal during the abortion topic. I thought Trumps position was clear but Kamala’s comments (accurate or not) were personal to her.

[Wrestleknownothing]

I am mostly upset with Harris for failing to address the real issues. The cats and dogs of Springfield are facing an existential crisis and as Vice President she has done nothing about it.

[Offthemat]

Probably the most important point of the night was that Trump was the only person involved who realized that for Ukraine to win the war with a nuclear power could mean devastating consequences for the entire world. 

[PortaJohn]

10 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I ain't bringing up anything.  I've always thought this would be close.  She's been a better candidate than I anticipated, but candidate quality hardly matters any more, we're so calcified as a voting populace.

I appreciate you not bringing up the polling!  Very sensitive to this topic as a former poli sci graduate.  I will have to disagree with you on her being a quality candidate.  I don't believe she's good at all.  She struggled to get in running for the AG position and she got booted out of the DNC primary faster than the 32 seed at NCAA's.  I personally believe Trump's winning this and I blame the DNC or Biden for not stepping aside earlier and having a primary.  They had some decent contenders on the bench

[PortaJohn]

4 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Probably the most important point of the night was that Trump was the only person involved who realized that for Ukraine to win the war with a nuclear power could mean devastating consequences for the entire world. 

It was one of his better moments.  As much as I'd like to see Ukraine win it's almost a foregone conclusion that this will end in a deal.  Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to sustain this for the long haul and Putin is willing to kill every last Russian soldier to save face.  Not totally buying the nuclear threat.  There are too many oligarchs that want to go yachting during the summer in the Mediterranean 

[Offthemat]

I’m not totally buying your skepticism.  Putin won’t go down easily, and oligarchs are terribly accident prone around Russian high-rise windows.  If one goes off, where do the retaliations end? 

[PortaJohn]

12 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I’m not totally buying your skepticism.  Putin won’t go down easily, and oligarchs are terribly accident prone around Russian high-rise windows.  If one goes off, where do the retaliations end? 

Despite the rhetoric, Putin is more measured than how he's portrayed in the US media.  Ukraine just set off drone attacks in Moscow.  They invaded the Kursk region.  Has one nuclear warhead been launched?  This is despite all the nuclear saber rattling we've heard from the kremlin over the last few years.  

Edited September 11 by PortaJohn

[Offthemat]

Is Ukraine close to winning?  I think it’s like Trump says, he’s ready for someone to negotiate, realistically. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

What was the crowd size for the debate?

[Offthemat]

No crowd.  Three people at the short podium, one at the tall podium. 

Edited September 11 by Offthemat