Scouts Honor Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 buckle up we wont have anything to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 3 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: buckle up we wont have anything to spend But what if you bought at the peak $1M (cost basis) and its now worth $750,000 (fair market value) = -$250,000 (unrealized capital loss) x 25% = $62,500 the amount the IRS owes you. Will there be a check in the mail? 2 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 this is why they hired 87K agents. to collect all these unrealized gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 7 minutes ago, ionel said: But what if you bought at the peak $1M (cost basis) and its now worth $750,000 (fair market value) = -$250,000 (unrealized capital loss) x 25% = $62,500 the amount the IRS owes you. Will there be a check in the mail? Sorry ionel, it only works one way. That's where you give. The IRS never gives. They only take. mspart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 8 minutes ago, ionel said: But what if you bought at the peak $1M (cost basis) and its now worth $750,000 (fair market value) = -$250,000 (unrealized capital loss) x 25% = $62,500 the amount the IRS owes you. Will there be a check in the mail? You get arrested for price gauging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 14 hours ago, Scouts Honor said: buckle up we wont have anything to spend Goes to show. If you say something dumb enough, you can get certain people to believe it without question, and get them fired up. There are no billionaires buying $250k houses. There are no $250k houses with Zillow estimates at $500k. And most of all, Zillow estimates are not fair market value. But sure, lets get fired up. That said, taxing unrealized gains aint ever gonna happen. But taxing turning unrealized gains into income might (i.e. structured financing of unrealized gains to extract their value without selling) could, and in many cases already does happen (too tight a collar and you get a tax bill, ffor example). Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 RL says nothing is 100%. so by saying unrealized gains will never happen, just jinxed it. why does the left keep talking about taxing unrealized gains? b/c they want the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 22 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: RL says nothing is 100%. so by saying unrealized gains will never happen, just jinxed it. why does the left keep talking about taxing unrealized gains? b/c they want the money Because billionaires are not sympathetic figures. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 you keep saying billionaires the dems told us again and again, no new taxes on people under 400K then all these people making 200K got hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingguy Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Because billionaires are not sympathetic figures. Most billionaires have companies that create the majority of the jobs. Be jealous all you want but they are the ones that took the risk and are being rewarded for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Just now, wrestlingguy said: Most billionaires have companies that create the majority of the jobs. Be jealous all you want but they are the ones that took the risk and are being rewarded for it. I am not jealous. I am answering his question, why propose an unrealized gain tax on billionaires? As with all things politics, it is about populism. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingguy Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I am not jealous. I am answering his question, why propose an unrealized gain tax on billionaires? As with all things politics, it is about populism. Because Bernie Sanders is a damn moron that thinks billionaires don't pay the majority of taxes already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 12 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said: Because Bernie Sanders is a damn moron that thinks billionaires don't pay the majority of taxes already. Are you sure billionaires pay the majority of taxes? I find that unlikely given how few there are (800 in the US estimated in 2024) and how much of their wealth is through investing. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 35 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Because billionaires are not sympathetic figures. No sympathy for the homeless Elon? Well ok he does now have a $50k tiny house in Boca but still ... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingguy Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 32 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Are you sure billionaires pay the majority of taxes? I find that unlikely given how few there are (800 in the US estimated in 2024) and how much of their wealth is through investing. Ok I was exaggerating but the top 1% pay more than half of the taxes in the US. Saying they are going to have them pay more in my opinion is just a way to appeal to the younger generation who the taxpayers have already bailed out of their student loans etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Taxing unrealized gains is stoopid. They are unrealized. That means that money has not been made. If you tax unrealized gains then you should refund money on unrealized losses. No, it only makes sense to tax realized gains. With the house example, currently you keep 500k (if married) tax free. If Kamala is aiming to take that away, that will be a real problem. Good luck doing that. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Are you sure billionaires pay the majority of taxes? im pretty sure they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 55 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said: Ok I was exaggerating but the top 1% pay more than half of the taxes in the US. Saying they are going to have them pay more in my opinion is just a way to appeal to the younger generation who the taxpayers have already bailed out of their student loans etc. In 2021, the bottom half of taxpayers earned 10.4 percent of total AGI and paid 2.3 percent of all federal individual income taxes. The top 1 percent earned 26.3 percent of total AGI and paid 45.8 percent of all federal income taxes.Mar 13, 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipdrag Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 A couple observations and comments: Unless we have a balance budget mandate all talking about debt, deficit, government spending, and tax revenue is counting angels on pinheads. It is fun for nerds and theorists but means nothing in real life. Decreasing tax revenue, especially federal, is a good thing. The federal government does too much and has too much power and its power to tax and regulate. The federal government should be capped at spending no more than 15% of GDP and probably much lower. The ability to go into debt should still be allowed but just like taking out a mortgage the costs to pay off the debt must be included in the budget/revenue plan and other spending must be eliminated to accommodate A form of taxing unrealized gains and asset values already exists. One form is called property taxes. Personal property taxes in some states and road taxes based on vehicle value are other examples. They go up when the value of the property goes up and no sale or realization of the gain has occurred. Generating revenue in this manner is not wildly controversial, unique, or creative. However, some asset valuations will be problematic and there will certainly be a run on Persian rugs or Faberge Eggs if those fall outside the taxing of assets scheme. So while this has been quite fun but ultimately useless until spending is restrained by more than any politician(s) sense of shame and credulity; I must get back to the real world of voting for the person who believes governments should do the least thing necessary for them to do with the least of my property necessary to accomplish it. Next, let's set the Federal Reserve Bank straight with a target of 0% year over year money devaluation (i.e. actual money that reflects the effort to earn it, now and in the past). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 18 hours ago, Scouts Honor said: buckle up we wont have anything to spend you guys just believe anything you see on twitter lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 23 minutes ago, uncle bernard said: you guys just believe anything you see on twitter lol Twitter ... you are still on Twitter? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 What a rube! mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said: im pretty sure they do So there are 800 billionaires by assets (not taxable income) in the US and you posted that the top 1% of taxpayers pay less than 50% of taxes. But lets assume all of the top 1% are billionaires (they are not), do you think there are fewer than 80,000 taxpayers? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 im just using that 'trusted' search engine google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/latest-federal-income-tax-data-2024/ Here's the deal, no need to argue. mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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