The source of Trump's "getting things done"

[jross]

44 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

4) What's the biggest impact he had on the country? Didn't build a wall. Economy grew around the same rate as Obama until the pandemic. Certainly didn't stop the pandemic from ruining the economy. Deported less people than Obama. Failed to repeal ObamaCare. The Swamp is still there. So, what's the big achievement? A tax cut? I think most Republicans could have gotten that tax bill passed under the same circumstances. 

Trump sparked my patriotism and pride in being American. His focus on "America First," renegotiating trade deals, and revitalizing American manufacturing truly resonated with me. Recently, I watched a video about building new cities, which filled me with wonder and excitement for the future. This feeling contrasts sharply with the dread and anxiety I feel when discussing victimization, foreign subsidies, and expanding government control.

Trump’s presidency made notable impacts on economic policy, foreign policy, immigration, and the judiciary. He did manage to build new sections of the border wall, though not the full extent initially promised due to Congressional constraints—despite Congress funding border security in Ukraine. It often seems like Congress acts contrary to public wishes.

Obama was effective at deporting illegal immigrants, but both administrations had room for improvement. Trump faced worsening conditions in Central America that led to increased illegal immigration despite strict measures. His focus was on preventing illegal entry through policies like "Remain in Mexico." If Trump wins a second term, similar to Obama, we will see reduced immigration and increased deportations compared to his first term.  More deportations than ever before.

[mspart]

I think one of the great things that Trump did was put the lie in Obama's vision of lethargy in the economy is the new normal.   Trump killed that idea and showed that the new normal was economic growth.   Biden or his string pullers have tried to revive it but I think most know we can definitely have better days ahead of us.  

What Kamala is saying, in effect, is that her and Joe's policies really bad and price controls are the only way to fix it.   This is pure bunk.   Price controls have  never worked.   It is a leftist's dream that it can work.   The only thing it does is stifle innovation and cause shortages because eventually manufacturers cannot make stuff cheap enough to make a profit.   So then you get an underground economy.   That is just a throwback to Obama's New Normal.   Which was proven false. 

mspart

[jross]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

3) What's his biggest achievement? All of the problems he said he'd fix are the same problems that exist today.

Some achievements from memory

• Appointed conservative judges.
• My 401K.
• MAGA brought good vibes for now and the future.
• Tax cuts led to a strong economy with full-time jobs, higher pay, and companies investing in the U.S.
• "2-for-1" deregulation rule.
• "America First" approach reduced military involvement overseas, with direct meetings with leaders like Putin and Jong-un to avoid new wars.
• Negotiated from a position of strength, keeping peace and holding allies accountable.
• Implemented border security and immigration enforcement measures.

More details are available at Trump White House Accomplishments.

Some of the problems he addressed with EOs.. Biden reversed immediately.  Immigration EOs for example.

 

[jross]

How could one forget.

He woke 50% of Americans up from the FAKE NEWS and awareness to the SWAMP.

[Scouts Honor]

well, wake 50% up?

he just said what we were thinking 

[Scouts Honor]

4 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Okay, so how is he going to get things done this time? Throw out the constitution?

 

I'm glad he didn't build a wall. It's stupid and a waste of money.

The reason for pointing it out is because the whole premise of this thread is that he "gets things done," which he doesn't. He's subject to the same partisan gridlock that Biden was and he will be subject to it again.

He didn't "get things done" better than any other potential candidate. In fact, I think it's more likely a non-Trump Republican would be able to get more done because more conservative dems would be willing to sign onto things that weren't directly tied to him.

You like Trump because he scratches your itches with his rhetoric, not because he's actually an effective President.

i can show you a lot more wasted money... that the wall would prevent

[Scouts Honor]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

1. Executive order and legislation existed his last term and he failed. What's different this time around? 

2A) I don't think illegal immigration is near the top of this country's problems.

2B) A wall doesn't solve illegal immigration. They'll find ways around it and it does nothing to address people here on expired visas which is about half of the country's illegal immigrants.

3) What's his biggest achievement? All of the problems he said he'd fix are the same problems that exist today.

4) What's the biggest impact he had on the country? Didn't build a wall. Economy grew around the same rate as Obama until the pandemic. Certainly didn't stop the pandemic from ruining the economy. Deported less people than Obama. Failed to repeal ObamaCare. The Swamp is still there. So, what's the big achievement? A tax cut? I think most Republicans could have gotten that tax bill passed under the same circumstances. 

5) Your number 1 thing on here is "personal accountability" and Trump is one of the least accountable people I've ever seen. Everything is always someone else's fault.

1. perhaps , unlike obama and biden, he wanted to do it the right way? 

2. ask chicago and new york

2b. it will help

3. jross has a good list.

4. maybe he had to deport less, b/c fewer were poring across the border

5  that may be true.. but he's no less accountable than the big guy, or kamala... they can't decide who is responsible for bidenomics

[Wrestleknownothing]

41 minutes ago, jross said:

Some achievements from memory

• Appointed conservative judges.
• My 401K.
• MAGA brought good vibes for now and the future.
• Tax cuts led to a strong economy with full-time jobs, higher pay, and companies investing in the U.S.
• "2-for-1" deregulation rule.
• "America First" approach reduced military involvement overseas, with direct meetings with leaders like Putin and Jong-un to avoid new wars.
• Negotiated from a position of strength, keeping peace and holding allies accountable.
• Implemented border security and immigration enforcement measures.

More details are available at Trump White House Accomplishments.

Some of the problems he addressed with EOs.. Biden reversed immediately.  Immigration EOs for example.

 

He did not list insurrection on the website, because it was only attempted. Like most things Trump he failed to achieve his goals.

[Offthemat]

2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

He did not list insurrection on the website, because it was only attempted. Like most things Trump he failed to achieve his goals.

 

[jross]

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

He did not list insurrection on the website, because it was only attempted. Like most things Trump he failed to achieve his goals.

Trump was not criminally charged with incitement of insurrection by the Department of Justice or any federal court.  Special Counsel Jack Smith's federal indictment against Trump in 2023 did not charge Trump with incitement of insurrection.

Impeachment in the house was a partisan political process requiring a simple majority vote.  It was not a legal one.  There was not bi-partisan agreement and it didn't pass in the Senate.

[Wrestleknownothing]

30 minutes ago, jross said:

Trump was not criminally charged with incitement of insurrection by the Department of Justice or any federal court.  Special Counsel Jack Smith's federal indictment against Trump in 2023 did not charge Trump with incitement of insurrection.

Impeachment in the house was a partisan political process requiring a simple majority vote.  It was not a legal one.  There was not bi-partisan agreement and it didn't pass in the Senate.

So what?

[Paul158]

17 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

He did not list insurrection on the website, because it was only attempted. Like most things Trump he failed to achieve his goals.

The attempted non-insurrection credit lands firmly on Pelosi. You could also include Irving the Sergeant at Arms. You could include the mayor and some top military officers. All of them denied the proper amount of security because of bad optics. They didn't want the appearance of soldiers in adequate numbers to secure the capital because of optics. The request was denied days in advance. Anyone with a small amount of intelligence could have foreseen the need for more security 'IN ADVANCE' of the protests. Calling in extra security the day of protests was a day late and a dollar short. It's unconscionable that the groups denied the request for security. 

Edited August 17 by Paul158

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

The attempted non-insurrection credit lands firmly on Pelosi. You could also include Irving the Sergeant at Arms. You could include the mayor and some top military officers. All of them denied the proper amount of security because of bad optics. They didn't want the appearance of soldiers in adequate numbers to secure the capital because of optics. The request was denied days in advance. Anyone with a small amount of intelligence could have foreseen the need for more security 'IN ADVANCE' of the protests. Calling in extra security the day of protests was a day late and a dollar short. It's unconscionable that the groups denied the request for security. 

I am amazed and impressed by the spinal flexibility at your age.

Poor Donald. He is the real victim here. Those dastardly Democrats and their reverse psychology tricked him into doing and saying all the things he said and did up to and including Jan. 6.

It is such a shame that extra security wasn't provided like it has not been at every election ratification (note to self: look up why extra security was needed)

 

[jross]

Trump incited an insurrection as much as the election was rigged.

 

[Offthemat]

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

45 minutes ago, jross said:

Trump incited an insurrection as much as the election was rigged.

 

Poor sweet, naive Donald. I hope he can maintain his childlike innocence.

[Paul158]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I am amazed and impressed by the spinal flexibility at your age.

Poor Donald. He is the real victim here. Those dastardly Democrats and their reverse psychology tricked him into doing and saying all the things he said and did up to and including Jan. 6.

It is such a shame that extra security wasn't provided like it has not been at every election ratification (note to self: look up why extra security was needed)

 

So, you are saying protestors should bring their own security because those in charge of security at the event are incapable of doing their job. OK I will go with that. I will try this one last time. Can you please explain to me (when it comes to the security of the Capital when there is a large protest) what is the job of the Chief of the Capital Police? What is Nancy Pelosi's job? What is the job of the Sergeant at Arms? What is the job of the Mayor? What was the job of the Army Military Officers?  What was the job of the FBI? Does the Secret Service have any responsibility? Hypothetical. We have the election in November. It's very close. The party that loses is very upset with the results and plans a large protest on Jan 4th or whatever date they formalize the Electoral vote. Do you think the security will be the same or will it be substantially better.

Edited August 17 by Paul158
missed a word

[ionel]

2 hours ago, jross said:

Trump incited an insurrection as much as the election was rigged.

 

Guess I wasn't paying attention Jan 7th.  Was there an insurrection?  If not can you "incite" something that never happened? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

So, you are saying protestors should bring their own security because those in charge of security at the event are incapable of doing their job. OK I will go with that. I will try this one last time. Can you please explain to me (when it comes to the security of the Capital when there is a large protest) what is the job of the Chief of the Capital Police? What is Nancy Pelosi's job? What is the job of the Sergeant at Arms? What is the job of the Mayor? What was the job of the Army Military Officers?  What was the job of the FBI? Does the Secret Service have any responsibility? Hypothetical. We have the election in November. It's very close. The party that loses is very upset with the results and plans a large protest on Jan 4th or whatever date they formalize the Electoral vote. Do you think the security will be the same or will it be substantially better.

You are full of it claiming you don't know the date?

You are also full of it claiming it is incumbent on law enforcement to stop crime when it is incumbent on each of us to not committ crime. Riddle me this, Socrates, why was all this extra security needed in the first place when it has never been needed before?

[Paul158]

33 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

You are full of it claiming you don't know the date?

You are also full of it claiming it is incumbent on law enforcement to stop crime when it is incumbent on each of us to not committ crime. Riddle me this, Socrates, why was all this extra security needed in the first place when it has never been needed before?

 Hmmm. So, you do not know what responsibility of each of the different Government agencies when it comes to securing the Capital during protests? Seems like it would be a straightforward answer with someone with your knowledge. Sure, people should behave.  Sure, only people who are actually protesting should be there. But in reality, those are variables that must be considered if it's your job to keep the Capital safe or President Trump safe or the DNC Convention safe this week. 

[Paul158]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

You are full of it claiming you don't know the date?

You are also full of it claiming it is incumbent on law enforcement to stop crime when it is incumbent on each of us to not committ crime. Riddle me this, Socrates, why was all this extra security needed in the first place when it has never been needed before?

It's a set date. Who knew. Who cares.

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 hours ago, Paul158 said:

It's a set date. Who knew. Who cares.

You know. Don't play coy.

[Scouts Honor]

some one was saying waste of money

 

[Scouts Honor]

walls are a waste of money

 

[RockLobster]

3 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

walls are a waste of money

 

Stop and think.

Walls in prisons, they have a useful purpose. Walls in racquetball courts, also a useful purpose. Both clear and obvious.

Walls as borders between countries? Meh... not necessarily useful. Certainly not clearly or obviously good. History tells us that it's a problematic approach. It is not a clear and obvious solution to anything.

Fences around areas that are prone to protesting and riots? Yes - that serves a clear and obvious useful purpose.

 

Why do you post like a shi**y little a**hat trying to cause problems all the time? What country are you posting from? Who's paying you for your a**hatiness? Because - whatever they pay you, you're a waste of money.

Edited August 18 by RockLobster