Proposed Sport Roster Limits- starting 2025-26 Season

[FD1W]

30 per school for Wrestling

via @RossDellenger 

Full article: https://sports.yahoo.com/new-college-sports-roster-limits-revealed-as-house-settlement-expands-scholarship-numbers-210542040.html

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

This will impact Iowa since they maintain the largest roster in D-1

[gimpeltf]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

This will impact Iowa since they maintain the largest roster in D-1

Sacred Heart has bigger rosters- both genders, I believe.

[Preceptor]

Does that mean that there will be 30 scholarships?  
 

Never mind. Just clicked on the link. That is a huge increase to the number of scholarships. Could that benefit wrestling?

Edited July 26 by Preceptor

[Fudge Tunnel]

Is this just for D1?

[ionel]

Will they be increasing academic scholarships by the same proportion? 

[Fletcher]

Up to 30 scholarships available, but schools still have to balance male with female scholarships in the aggregate.

So it doesn't necessarily mean more for wrestling and could mean less - e.g. if the school wants to increase football scholarships, it may need to take them from wrestling to keep the overall balance between male/female scholarships.

[Fletcher]

34 minutes ago, Fudge Tunnel said:

Is this just for D1?

Just D1. And possibly just P5 conference schools only?

[11986]

1 hour ago, Fletcher said:

Up to 30 scholarships available, but schools still have to balance male with female scholarships in the aggregate.

So it doesn't necessarily mean more for wrestling and could mean less - e.g. if the school wants to increase football scholarships, it may need to take them from wrestling to keep the overall balance between male/female scholarships.

yeah football being able to have as many as 105 doesn't sound great for other men's sports

[flyingcement]

Sacred Heart has 55 wrestlers currently on their roster.  They are among the biggest teams that will need to be chopped down nearly in half

[Dark Energy]

If someone finds a well done wrestling impact specific article on this topic, please post.

Edited July 27 by Dark Energy

[flyingcement]

West Point has nearly 70 kids.  Does this apply to the military academies?

[Idaho]

Rosters will be cut down to 30 making it possible for some good kids to spread out a little to several programs, which is a good thing....However, very few schools will have 30 scholarships available to accommodate all the extra good kids......so here we are in a vicious cycle of the rich getting rich once again. 

[Idaho]

2 hours ago, Fletcher said:

Just D1. And possibly just P5 conference schools only?

So the teams wrestling in other conferences besides the P5 get screwed? Not that they can afford the 30 scholarships anyway. 

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

I am concerned for non P5 wrestling. They will not increase the number of schollys, in fact, they may lose some. As it stands now schools can give wrestling 9.9 schollys with a 40-50 man roster. Meaning 30-40 non Scholly wrestlers, bringing in more students to the school. Limit the roster to 30 it cuts tuition collected by the schools making wrestling less attractive. Football increases by 20 schollys, baseball increases dramatically, and must be made up by other men's sports losing schollys. I feel like P5 schools will put a lot more distance between them and non P5 schools. Yeah, the big dogs will benefit, but at what cost? Who will they wrestle? They are currently well ahead of most all the others and it could become much more distance between them and the have nots. Why would they want to compete against programs their 3rd string could crush? What would be the benefit? Why bother with a weighin when the comp could not touch them with a ten foot pole?

[billyhoyle]

1 hour ago, Camel Wrestling Fan said:

I am concerned for non P5 wrestling. They will not increase the number of schollys, in fact, they may lose some. As it stands now schools can give wrestling 9.9 schollys with a 40-50 man roster. Meaning 30-40 non Scholly wrestlers, bringing in more students to the school. Limit the roster to 30 it cuts tuition collected by the schools making wrestling less attractive. Football increases by 20 schollys, baseball increases dramatically, and must be made up by other men's sports losing schollys. I feel like P5 schools will put a lot more distance between them and non P5 schools. Yeah, the big dogs will benefit, but at what cost? Who will they wrestle? They are currently well ahead of most all the others and it could become much more distance between them and the have nots. Why would they want to compete against programs their 3rd string could crush? What would be the benefit? Why bother with a weighin when the comp could not touch them with a ten foot pole?

Schools that have trouble filling enrollment aren't great places to go to school.  I don't think many D1 wrestling programs fit into this category where they can't get enough students in the university. 

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

9 minutes ago, billyhoyle said:

Schools that have trouble filling enrollment aren't great places to go to school.  I don't think many D1 wrestling programs fit into this category where they can't get enough students in the university. 

I beg to differ. Many schools are struggling maintain or grow enrollment or even maintain current levels. Ask around, you may be surprised.

[billyhoyle]

Just now, Camel Wrestling Fan said:

I beg to differ. Many schools are struggling maintain or grow enrollment or even maintain current levels. Ask around, you may be surprised.

Which D1 wrestling program fits into this category? 

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

Yahoo sports:

"But not all programs can afford to add so many additional scholarships. Some administrators are in the process of “tiering” their sports by decreasing investment on certain programs and increasing investment in others. This includes staff and salary cuts as well as the reduction in scholarships from Olympic sports, especially those that generate little to no revenue."

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

Will redahirts be considered rostered wrestlers?

'25-'26 season could be painful. Many will need to cut 20+ wrestlers from teams in addition to the number of new recruits brought in. Many of the class of '24 and '25 may have their offers recinded due to the roster caps. Back up upperclassmen could be a thing of the past.

Club teams may get a big boost from Jr's and Srs on campus finishing degrees who love the sport but are cut to reach roster limits. Maybe club teams could become JV squads. Stash some wrestlers on a club squad until they develop or a need arises on varsity. 

Will "practice squad" members be allowed? Could wrestlers be pulled up and added to the roster from club teams or "practice squads" if wrestlers get injured or quit/dismissed?

[Idaho]

8 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Which D1 wrestling program fits into this category? 

Are you talking about school enrollment (from your previous post- "Schools that have trouble filling enrollment aren't great places to go to school") or are you talking about wrestling roster size? 

[cowcards]

12 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

If someone finds a well done wrestling impact specific article on this topic, please post.

Here's the most straight forward I can make it:

There is no longer a cap on the number of scholarships a team can give out. There is however, a cap on the number of roster spots, which is now 30. That means a school can give out anywhere between 0 and 30 full scholarships now.

But, because every other sport is getting and increase and Title IX implications, schools will now starting ranking sports and diverting funds to the sports they rank the most important (most likely football, M/W Basketball, and other W sports that balance out football). 

More programs are going to have to cut guys to get to the 30 limit than those that will give more scholarships. That will spread around guys to different programs but I fear the overall number of scholarships being given will drop. This may also trickle down to the D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA level as some of those guys may turn that way. 

Well funded programs are going to get better and separate themselves more because they will offer more scholarships. Programs that aren't ranked very high on priority by their school will probably lose scholarships. Programs that relied on high roster numbers and didn't provide very many scholarships will be in trouble now.

This will in no way help any program other than those that want, and can provide, more scholarships. I think it will end up turning into an all or nothing for programs where they either get a good number of scholarships or none at all.

Edited July 27 by cowcards

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

9 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Schools that have trouble filling enrollment aren't great places to go to school.  I don't think many D1 wrestling programs fit into this category where they can't get enough students in the university. 

According to the NCES:

• Undergraduate college enrollment increased from 1985-2010 at a rate of about 2.2% each year. In 2010, enrollment peaked at about 18.1 million students.
• Since 2011, enrollment has decreased at a rate of about 1.5% each year.

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

4 minutes ago, Camel Wrestling Fan said:

According to the NCES:

• Undergraduate college enrollment increased from 1985-2010 at a rate of about 2.2% each year. In 2010, enrollment peaked at about 18.1 million students.
• Since 2011, enrollment has decreased at a rate of about 1.5% each year.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) is the primary federal entity for collecting and analyzing data related to education. 

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

1 hour ago, cowcards said:

Here's the most straight forward I can make it:

There is no longer a cap on the number of scholarships a team can give out. There is however, a cap on the number of roster spots, which is now 30. That means a school can give out anywhere between 0 and 30 full scholarships now.

But, because every other sport is getting and increase and Title IX implications, schools will now starting ranking sports and diverting funds to the sports they rank the most important (most likely football, M/W Basketball, and other W sports that balance out football). 

More programs are going to have to cut guys to get to the 30 limit than those that will give more scholarships. That will spread around guys to different programs but I fear the overall number of scholarships being given will drop. This may also trickle down to the D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA level as some of those guys may turn that way. 

Well funded programs are going to get better and separate themselves more because they will offer more scholarships. Programs that aren't ranked very high on priority by their school will probably lose scholarships. Programs that relied on high roster numbers and didn't provide very many scholarships will be in trouble now.

This will in no way help any program other than those that want, and can provide, more scholarships. I think it will end up turning into an all or nothing for programs where they either get a good number of scholarships or none at all.

If I had the ability to organize and articulate my thoughts intelligently, this would have been what I wrote!