ionel Posted July 29 Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Camel Wrestling Fan said: Pro teams have taxi squads to practice on and occasionally pull up a player due to injury or what not. Colleges uses that 50-85 as a taxi squad really. Why do they now need 105? Idk. Back in the big time schools would have 125. Oklahoma would bring 8 out of the top 10 RBs in the country, let them fight for the position AND keep the other guys off of their rivals team! Its what Iowa & OSU were doing in wrestling. Thus why NCAA put scholarship and roster limits in place. But now since NCAA would bother enforcing their own rules they are going backward on everything. May ruin all sports, certainly a lot of sports programs. .
MNRodent Posted July 29 Posted July 29 I wonder if college teams will use their RTCs as sort of a practice squad, where high level walk-ons can work out and potentially join the 30-man roster in the future.
BigRedFan Posted July 29 Posted July 29 16 hours ago, Idaho said: Good question....I hadn't thought about that. I wonder how they will respond to this. Maybe some of our Ivy team supporters can chime in. I have no inside knowledge, but Cornell currently shows 43 members on their 2024-25 roster (12 freshmen, 11 sophs, 9 juniors, 11 seniors). A quick scan shows Lehigh (yes, I know it is not an Ivy) with 42. Penn with 29. A number of the freshmen are not names I recognize as having been highly recruited.
billyhoyle Posted July 29 Posted July 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, TNwrestling said: So football's rosters will now cap at 105 but wrestling rosters cap at 30? In what realm does an nfl team cap their roster at 53 but college needs double that? 11 offense, 11 defense, 11 special teams (it’s actually more than 11 because you have punt, kick, punt return, kick blocking, kick return, but let’s just say 11). So 33 starters in football *3 = 99. 10 starters in wrestling * 3= 30. Then factor in that there are significantly more substitutions and injuries in football, and that football is a revenue sport, it makes sense that they would have a that number be the cap. With that said, it does screw over non revenue sports. Edited July 29 by billyhoyle
FD1W Posted July 30 Author Posted July 30 One thing I think everyone is overlooking in this: Just because the roster cap is 30, does not mean that the school will allow that to be the cap. Schools can set roster caps lower than 30 if they want. Same for scholarships. Very few will be able to fund 30 full scholarships, bu t schools can also dictate how many scholarships they allow. Maybe they keep it at 9.9 or 10, but they could also lower it to 7 to accomodate the new 20 extra needed for football
Wrestleknownothing Posted July 30 Posted July 30 On 7/28/2024 at 3:04 PM, Dark Energy said: Thanks for this. It is making me think of the ivies. Wonder how they are thinking about this. The settlement, if approved, is only binding on Power 5 schools. So the Ivies, EIWA, Socon, MAC could opt out of it and keep their roster sizes above 30 and scholarships at 9.9. But then they could not pay players. If they want to pay, then they have to abide by all the elements of the settlement. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Dark Energy Posted July 30 Posted July 30 5 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: The settlement, if approved, is only binding on Power 5 schools. So the Ivies, EIWA, Socon, MAC could opt out of it and keep their roster sizes above 30 and scholarships at 9.9. But then they could not pay players. If they want to pay, then they have to abide by all the elements of the settlement. Ahhh, interesting … and a seemingly tough choice. To be clear, they could avoid paying players and still compete at NCAA championships? Obviously at a distinct disadvantage recruiting wise. I wonder if schools that do this would effectively drop from D1. Perhaps have own championship. Eh, probably not. Wow - really curious how this will unfurl.
Santos Posted July 30 Posted July 30 In my opinion several colleges will opt out. Will there be enough teams to have a championship? What conferences can afford to opt in? Big Ten, Big 12, ACC. I think you need 33 teams for a national Championship. There couldl be enough teams that opt out and have their own D1 AA Championships. I also think some colleges will drop sports including football. Since covid kids have found they can get their degrees online saving money. Enrollment is down and some schools have even closed dorms.
Idaho Posted July 30 Posted July 30 8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: The settlement, if approved, is only binding on Power 5 schools. So the Ivies, EIWA, Socon, MAC could opt out of it and keep their roster sizes above 30 and scholarships at 9.9. But then they could not pay players. If they want to pay, then they have to abide by all the elements of the settlement. Good point - Flo did an article outlining this along with roster sizes... https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/12753476-unlimited-scholarships-roster-caps-more-in-ncaa-vs-house-settlement Sponsored by INTERMAT
Idaho Posted July 30 Posted July 30 (edited) Power 5 Teams over 30 last year... School 2023-24 Roster Conference Oregon State 43 Pac 12 Iowa State 41 Big 12 Iowa 40 Big 10 Michigan State 39 Big 10 Missouri 38 SEC/Big 12 Oklahoma State 38 Big 12 Arizona State 37 Big 12 Michigan 37 Big 10 Penn State 37 Big 10 West Virginia 37 Big 12 Nebraska 35 Big 10 Oklahoma 35 SEC/Big 12 Ohio State 34 Big 10 Virginia Tech 34 ACC Virginia 33 ACC Indiana 32 Big 10 Maryland 32 Big 10 North Carolina 32 ACC Pittsburgh 32 ACC NC State 31 ACC Purdue 31 Big 10 So all in all, based on last years rosters, this will affect 118 wrestlers total. There are only 7 teams at 30 or below. I can tell you that, some of those kids have already found homes that have not been reported. Edited July 30 by Idaho Sponsored by INTERMAT
Idaho Posted July 30 Posted July 30 List of non-power 5 schools - they can opt in to the revenue sharing but then have to offer the 30 scholarships and cap their roster size to 30 School 2023-24 Roster Conference Army 53 EIWA Navy 49 EIWA Sacred Heart 49 EIWA Lehigh 45 EIWA Kent State 44 MAC Bellarmine 43 SOCON Clarion 40 MAC Cornell 38 Ivy League Penn 38 Ivy League Air Force 37 Big 12 Northern Illinois 37 MAC Rider 37 MAC VMI 37 SOCON Columbia 36 Ivy League Northern Colorado 36 Big 12 Ohio 36 MAC South Dakota State 36 Big 12 Appalachian State 35 SOCON Cleveland State 35 MAC Drexel 35 EIWA California Baptist 34 Big 12 Lock Haven 34 MAC North Dakota State 34 Big 12 Harvard 33 Ivy League Little Rock 33 Pac 12 Long Island 33 EIWA Wyoming 33 Big 12 Binghamton 32 EIWA Bucknell 32 EIWA Buffalo 32 MAC Franklin & Marshall 32 EIWA Gardner-Webb 32 SOCON George Mason 32 MAC Cal Poly 31 Pac 12 Edinboro 31 MAC Northern Iowa 31 Big 12 Chattanooga 30 SOCON CSU Bakersfield 30 Pac 12 SIUE 30 MAC Campbell 29 SOCON Central Michigan 29 MAC Princeton 29 Ivy League The Citadel 29 SOCON Davidson 28 SOCON Hofstra 28 EIWA Mercyhurst 28 Morgan State 28 American 27 EIWA Utah Valley 26 Big 12 Bloomsburg 23 MAC Brown 23 Ivy League Presbyterian 21 SOCON 1 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT
No BS Fan Posted July 30 Posted July 30 Academy students are already on full scholarships and (to my knowledge) are not allowed to be paid or receive NIL. They do however get a monthly salary, set by Congress, that increases after each year. I don't see how they would be able to "opt in" to profit sharing. 1
cowcards Posted July 30 Posted July 30 Since I haven't seen the actual regulation written and all the nuances and the issues with opt-in vs. opt-out, which could change my opinion, but this is where I'm currently at with the limited info. If Borelli is correct and only those that opt into the revenue sharing can participate in NCAA championships, you'll see another dramatic shift in college athletics. I think most schools will opt-in, power 5 or not, because of football and basketball. That's what drives the money for the departments and if they aren't in the NCAA championship then they aren't making money. Just because they opt-in, doesn't mean they have to pay wresters, and I doubt most will. I think you'll see most schools pay football/basketball and the women to balance out Title 9. Schools that don't opt-in will create their own championship and pursue their own media deals and probably break away from the NCAA because the NCAA would be useless to them. Or they will just cut to the minimum number of sports and opt-in. Other notes I saw asked: NCAA schools need the larger limits on football rosters because they can't sign anyone whenever they need. They are stuck with the roster they start with, unlike the NFL. In reality, the NFL roster is unlimited because you can replace any one at any time. Colleges also tend to have more injuries (my observations) and other issues that can force kids out. In the NFL you tend to show up no matter what every time because you're getting paid. For people over the 30 roster limit, that is just NCAA roster. There is nothing that says they can't have a club team or RTC that has the same coaches as the NCAA team. I would imagine this could be a path some schools would take. The guys that aren't on the roster though wouldn't be able to get the same benefits as those on the roster (Travel, food, scholarship, practice time, etc.) and they wouldn't be able to compete that year no matter what. This could be a spot where redshirts are used. Don't roster them but still have around. Exemptions will be made for the Academies and maybe the Ivies due to their well-established rules already. Since the opt-in is specific to P5, we don't have a clue what it means for everyone else yet and I'm they they don't either. Bottom-line: The NCAA has so much to figure out in this next year or so and it could change real quick. Better just hang on and see how it shakes out. None of us really know.
Idaho Posted July 30 Posted July 30 4 minutes ago, cowcards said: There is nothing that says they can't have a club team or RTC that has the same coaches as the NCAA team I am 99;9% sure that coaches do not want to set up a completely different club team for practices that are your 31-40 guys on the depth chart. The RTC is probably where guys will "hide" for a year since coaches are already managing that program. I agree that there will be a lot to work out with this settlement. At what length in terms of expense, time and energy are D1 coaches going to go for there #31- #40 guys? Teams were already getting their rosters down this spring and summer because of that very reason. Sponsored by INTERMAT
juniorvarsity Posted July 30 Posted July 30 Iowa built this giant wrestling room for 30 athletes. Probably could have saved some money if they knew this ahead of time.
flyingcement Posted July 30 Posted July 30 3 hours ago, Idaho said: List of non-power 5 schools - they can opt in to the revenue sharing but then have to offer the 30 scholarships and cap their roster size to 30 School 2023-24 Roster Conference Army 53 EIWA Navy 49 EIWA Sacred Heart 49 EIWA Lehigh 45 EIWA Kent State 44 MAC Bellarmine 43 SOCON Clarion 40 MAC Cornell 38 Ivy League Penn 38 Ivy League Air Force 37 Big 12 Northern Illinois 37 MAC Rider 37 MAC VMI 37 SOCON Columbia 36 Ivy League Northern Colorado 36 Big 12 Ohio 36 MAC South Dakota State 36 Big 12 Appalachian State 35 SOCON Cleveland State 35 MAC Drexel 35 EIWA California Baptist 34 Big 12 Lock Haven 34 MAC North Dakota State 34 Big 12 Harvard 33 Ivy League Little Rock 33 Pac 12 Long Island 33 EIWA Wyoming 33 Big 12 Binghamton 32 EIWA Bucknell 32 EIWA Buffalo 32 MAC Franklin & Marshall 32 EIWA Gardner-Webb 32 SOCON George Mason 32 MAC Cal Poly 31 Pac 12 Edinboro 31 MAC Northern Iowa 31 Big 12 Chattanooga 30 SOCON CSU Bakersfield 30 Pac 12 SIUE 30 MAC Campbell 29 SOCON Central Michigan 29 MAC Princeton 29 Ivy League The Citadel 29 SOCON Davidson 28 SOCON Hofstra 28 EIWA Mercyhurst 28 Morgan State 28 American 27 EIWA Utah Valley 26 Big 12 Bloomsburg 23 MAC Brown 23 Ivy League Presbyterian 21 SOCON I can't help but think as I look at this list about the awkwardness of some of these situations where its going to be literally one person that doesn't get to make the roster and the other 30 do (like in Northern Iowa's case)
Idaho Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 minute ago, flyingcement said: I can't help but think as I look at this list about the awkwardness of some of these situations where its going to be literally one person that doesn't get to make the roster and the other 30 do (like in Northern Iowa's case) This is based on last years roster, but yeah, if you are the last guy. I think we are going to see a lot of names pop up on rosters of new/newer programs. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT
MNRodent Posted July 30 Posted July 30 Most schools shouldn't have to cut current team members because some will graduate and/or quit or transfer in 24-25, before this goes into effect in 25-26. They will just have to more closely watch how many they bring in next recruiting class.
gimpeltf Posted July 30 Posted July 30 1 hour ago, MNRodent said: Most schools shouldn't have to cut current team members because some will graduate and/or quit or transfer in 24-25, before this goes into effect in 25-26. They will just have to more closely watch how many they bring in next recruiting class. Only if you don't want to replace the higher level kids that graduate.
Idaho Posted July 31 Posted July 31 3 hours ago, gimpeltf said: Only if you don't want to replace the higher level kids that graduate. Yep... you can be certain there will be tough conversations with kids that will not be back on the team in place of higher level kids. In fact...some have and are taking place. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT
flyingcement Posted July 31 Posted July 31 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Idaho said: Yep... you can be certain there will be tough conversations with kids that will not be back on the team in place of higher level kids. In fact...some have and are taking place. I just noticed North Dakota State did a clean wipe of their roster of anyone who had previously entered the transfer portal. They are left with only a handful of guys that were on the team last year, combined with a large group of red shirt freshman, and bunch of incoming transfers Weight Name Class Status Count 125 #163 Witt, Ezekiel St FR True Freshman 1 125 #163 Tanimoto, Kody FR Redshirt 2 125 #163 O'Brien, Sean FR Redshirt 3 133 #42 Burwick, Kyle St SR Incoming Transfer 4 133 #188 Olson, Michael FR Redshirt 5 141 #70 Drexler, Gavin St SO Returning Wrestler 6 141 #173 Moore, Peyton SO Incoming Transfer 7 149 #39 Petersen, Maxwell St SO Returning Wrestler 8 149 #25 March, Kellyn SR Returning Wrestler 9 149 #168 Radenz, Clay JR Returning Wrestler 10 157 #58 Greenley, Boeden St RSFR Returning Wrestler 11 157 #127 Schumm, Gabriel JR Returning Wrestler 12 165 #60 Howes, Brendan St SO Returning Wrestler 13 165 #192 Hutchings, Dante FR Redshirt 14 165 #269 Barker, Luke RSFR Returning Wrestler 15 174 #90 Wasley, Devin St SO Incoming Transfer 16 174 #193 Magayna, Max FR Redshirt 17 174 #193 Secoy, Tyler FR Redshirt 18 184 #84 Cherne, Adam St SO Returning Wrestler 19 184 #83 Brenot, Aidan RSFR Returning Wrestler 20 184 #159 McMonagle, Andrew FR Redshirt 21 184 #159 Glover, Tayshaun FR Redshirt 22 184 #159 Schneck, Barrett FR Redshirt 23 197 #123 Baker, Michael St SR Incoming Transfer 24 197 #154 Whitright, Bradley JR Incoming Transfer 25 197 #154 Hight, Aiden FR Redshirt 26 285 #81 Blackburn-Forst, Andrew St SO Incoming Transfer 27 285 #168 Huff, Schey FR Redshirt 28 285 #168 Jones, Shilo FR Redshirt 29 Edited July 31 by flyingcement
flyingcement Posted July 31 Posted July 31 Category Roster Starters True Freshman 1 1 Redshirt Freshman 12 0 Returning Wrestler 10 5 Incoming Transfer 6 4
Wrestleknownothing Posted July 31 Posted July 31 Wrestlers can expect to get about $50 on average, or less, from the $2.576 billion settlement. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Pinnacle Posted July 31 Posted July 31 A lot of $$$ going to athletes. For the experts, seems that money is coming partly from boosters thru NIL, partly from revenue generated i.e. TV contracts and stadium revenue, but perhaps also partly from higher tuitions? Is the general student population at least partly financing these payments?
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