No ID required. License to steal.

[headshuck]

[Ohio Elite]

 

[mspart]

So Biden says no action is needed because there are already laws in effect.   Well Sr. Biden, there are already laws in effect that do not allow illegal entry into the US.   You have ignored those laws.   What makes anyone think you won't ignore the voting laws as well?

mspart

[Scouts Honor]

i understand this is reddit

but im saying... this is probably actually happening

 

[ThreePointTakedown]

On 7/1/2024 at 5:54 PM, Paul158 said:

Inflation was 1.3% when Joe took office. Average goods are 20 to 30 % higher ( some things are 100% higher). Inflation stands at 3.27 % right now. Families of 4 are spending an additional 12,000 dollars more per year since Biden has been in office.

What is the point and what is your preferred solution under the current president? 

Its the same argument as before. Can the president control the price of gasoline? No. 

Can the SEC sue to block mergers that may be disadvantageous to the consumer? Yes. 

Everyone and their mother has been saying that inflation is back down. It is. But companies that have made record profits have not lowered their prices back to pre-pandemic levels. Because why would they? What do they have to lose at this point? A handful of companies control most the market share for the products and services that we all need to live: food(which you mentioned) that includes agricultural industries, power, and housing. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/business/retailers-cutting-prices/index.html (this article talks more about 'discretionary spending' but hints that food prices might fall along with the rest)

This is by no means a guarantee but please answer this question: How can the President effect the price of food in a tangible way?

[ThreePointTakedown]

13 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

i understand this is reddit

but im saying... this is probably actually happening

 

'Probably' is doing some heavy lifting there. 

How many important decisions in your life do you decide based on 'probably' FROM REDDIT? 

The plural of anecdote is NOT DATA! How is that so hard to understand? 

You want to believe that its true so you'll twist your logic(which in this case is far from it) into pretzel to convince yourself knowing that there is a decent chance that its not true at all. By your own words. 

Why? What do you have to gain? 

[ThreePointTakedown]

17 hours ago, mspart said:

So Biden says no action is needed because there are already laws in effect.   Well Sr. Biden, there are already laws in effect that do not allow illegal entry into the US.   You have ignored those laws.   What makes anyone think you won't ignore the voting laws as well?

mspart

We all agree that entering the country without declaring asylum or without proper paperwork is not legal. Show us where this or any president as gone against that? 

[ThreePointTakedown]

18 hours ago, Ohio Elite said:

 

Can non-citizens vote? 

Is that a thing? 

Where and under what circumstances? 

Which elections? 

[ThreePointTakedown]

19 hours ago, headshuck said:

Yep. No notes. 

Oh, sorry, not all prescriptions. 

One note. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

19 hours ago, mspart said:

It would do good if it were to be enforced vigorously.   Current Admin won't do that.   Incoming, if different, may work more on that.   What good does it do not to make this absolutely clear?

mspart

Have you heard the saying, 'if everything is priority then nothing is'? 

Cuz that's what it seems like you're saying. They aren't prioritizing your pet project. That can be frustrating. But if so, do more research. Try to convince people with facts. Instead of.... this. If you actually take it serious. 

What were your thoughts on the border bill that was killed recently. Did you like it? Were you ok with the reason it went away after being painstakingly negotiated as it was? Was the 'perfect' the enemy of the good? Would you rather the credit for 'fixing' the problem go to your preferred candidate rather than helping the people that are being harmed?  

[JimmyBT]

10 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

What is the point and what is your preferred solution under the current president? 

Its the same argument as before. Can the president control the price of gasoline? No. 

Can the SEC sue to block mergers that may be disadvantageous to the consumer? Yes. 

Everyone and their mother has been saying that inflation is back down. It is. But companies that have made record profits have not lowered their prices back to pre-pandemic levels. Because why would they? What do they have to lose at this point? A handful of companies control most the market share for the products and services that we all need to live: food(which you mentioned) that includes agricultural industries, power, and housing. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/business/retailers-cutting-prices/index.html (this article talks more about 'discretionary spending' but hints that food prices might fall along with the rest)

This is by no means a guarantee but please answer this question: How can the President effect the price of food in a tangible way?

If you don’t think the policies driven by the president of the world’s largest economy impact the prices through out the world you need to find a clue. Go back to Bidens first day in office and all those anti energy executive orders were signed.  He certainly plays apart whether you like it or not. 

[JimmyBT]

7 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Can non-citizens vote? 

Is that a thing? 

Where and under what circumstances? 

Which elections? 

See New York 

[mspart]

13 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Have you heard the saying, 'if everything is priority then nothing is'? 

Cuz that's what it seems like you're saying. They aren't prioritizing your pet project. That can be frustrating. But if so, do more research. Try to convince people with facts. Instead of.... this. If you actually take it serious. 

What were your thoughts on the border bill that was killed recently. Did you like it? Were you ok with the reason it went away after being painstakingly negotiated as it was? Was the 'perfect' the enemy of the good? Would you rather the credit for 'fixing' the problem go to your preferred candidate rather than helping the people that are being harmed?  

What are the American people most concerned with.   According to polls, illegal immigration is near the top of the list.   That sounds like something to key in on.   Not my pet project.   It is most people's pet project. 

My thoughts on the Senate's border bill is that it was a joke.    Allow up to 5000 illegals entry per day before "maybe" something happens to shut that down.   Because it is left up to the executive's whim to do something about it.   It was not statutory to do something.   It was essentially what is happening now anyway.   It would have been no different than current situation.  

The people being harmed are the US citizens having to pay for housing for these illegals.  The people being harmed are those coming over from all over the world with the cartels running the show and exacting money and blood and sex.   There is no reason to accept this at all.  

mspart

 

[WrestlingRasta]

11 minutes ago, mspart said:

What are the American people most concerned with.   According to polls, illegal immigration is near the top of the list.   That sounds like something to key in on.   Not my pet project.   It is most people's pet project. 

 

 

I would argue that when you just have general conversations with the public,  as opposed to itemized polls, you’ll find that people’s biggest concerns don’t line up with what the digital airwaves say our biggest concerns are. 

Edited July 9 by WrestlingRasta

[Offthemat]

50 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I would argue that when you just have general conversations with the public,  as opposed to itemized polls, you’ll find that people’s biggest concerns don’t line up with what the digital airwaves say our biggest concerns are. 

Can you name one of the people’s biggest concerns that doesn’t align with a political poll?

[WrestlingRasta]

1 minute ago, Offthemat said:

Can you name one of the people’s biggest concerns that doesn’t align with a political poll?

One?  Easy....community parks.  

Edited July 9 by WrestlingRasta
typo

[ionel]

55 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I would argue that when you just have general conversations with the public,  as opposed to itemized polls, you’ll find that people’s biggest concerns don’t line up with what the digital airwaves say our biggest concerns are. 

^^^ this^^^ and also when you talk to individual people within a group or organization instead of just the leaders, you find there's actually a lot of useful back and forth cooperative discussion and things to agree on.

[Offthemat]

14 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

One?  Easy....community parks.  

That’s a big one. 

[WrestlingRasta]

19 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

That’s a big one. 

That (and associated programs), along with school topics, is what I hear most.

[Offthemat]

1 minute ago, WrestlingRasta said:

That (and associated programs), along with school topics, is what I hear most.

Some people call that a bubble.  Do you ever hear anybody saying anything about gov’t employees posting on the internet?

[ThreePointTakedown]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

What are the American people most concerned with.   According to polls, illegal immigration is near the top of the list.   That sounds like something to key in on.   Not my pet project.   It is most people's pet project. 

My thoughts on the Senate's border bill is that it was a joke.    Allow up to 5000 illegals entry per day before "maybe" something happens to shut that down.   Because it is left up to the executive's whim to do something about it.   It was not statutory to do something.   It was essentially what is happening now anyway.   It would have been no different than current situation.  

The people being harmed are the US citizens having to pay for housing for these illegals.  The people being harmed are those coming over from all over the world with the cartels running the show and exacting money and blood and sex.   There is no reason to accept this at all.  

mspart

 

Sorry, didn't mean 'pet project' as a dig. Just that people prioritize things differently. 

Have you looked at the polls? Who has put them on? Are you fluent in reading and breaking down polls? If not, who do you trust as a source? 

Just for clarification it doesn't use the word 'illegals' why do you? The word is 'encounters'. This could be from legal, asylum seeking people, right? Do you feel it is not 'legal' for someone to cross the border to seek asylum, if so, why is that? Or from people that do not plan to seek asylum. Why keep using that word, one is legal and one is illegal. Those groups are not the same. 

The executive branch is in charge of the border. Congress passes the laws but the executive appoints the head of the departments. Do you feel that is wrong? How would you fix it? Should all things flow through congress, would that be a more efficient way of proceeding on the border issue on a day-to-day basis? 

It is a widely studied and corroborated fact that immigrants both legal and illegal are a net positive in the US. And immigrants are being harmed, when the cross the border legally and enter this country they are being harmed. Even people perceived to be immigrants(much like attacks on Asian-American people sky rocketed when the pandemic started, why do you think that was, maybe a moron at 1600 kept making RACIST REMARKS with regard to COVID-19?!) Your characterization of all immigrants as illegals(I say that because you do not mention legal immigration, either through the asylum process or otherwise, which are LEGAL) seems to indicate your lack of empathy for people struggling to survive. Why is that? Or is your opinion just an quasi-isolationist(America First) kinda thing? 

And its dangerous. It promotes division and allows for the rationalization of violence onto a perceived enemy. Which they are not!

[WrestlingRasta]

3 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Some people call that a bubble.  Do you ever hear anybody saying anything about gov’t employees posting on the internet?

Please clarify

[Bigbrog]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Sorry, didn't mean 'pet project' as a dig. Just that people prioritize things differently. 

Have you looked at the polls? Who has put them on? Are you fluent in reading and breaking down polls? If not, who do you trust as a source? 

Just for clarification it doesn't use the word 'illegals' why do you? The word is 'encounters'. This could be from legal, asylum seeking people, right? Do you feel it is not 'legal' for someone to cross the border to seek asylum, if so, why is that? Or from people that do not plan to seek asylum. Why keep using that word, one is legal and one is illegal. Those groups are not the same. 

The executive branch is in charge of the border. Congress passes the laws but the executive appoints the head of the departments. Do you feel that is wrong? How would you fix it? Should all things flow through congress, would that be a more efficient way of proceeding on the border issue on a day-to-day basis? 

It is a widely studied and corroborated fact that immigrants both legal and illegal are a net positive in the US. And immigrants are being harmed, when the cross the border legally and enter this country they are being harmed. Even people perceived to be immigrants(much like attacks on Asian-American people sky rocketed when the pandemic started, why do you think that was, maybe a moron at 1600 kept making RACIST REMARKS with regard to COVID-19?!) Your characterization of all immigrants as illegals(I say that because you do not mention legal immigration, either through the asylum process or otherwise, which are LEGAL) seems to indicate your lack of empathy for people struggling to survive. Why is that? Or is your opinion just an quasi-isolationist(America First) kinda thing? 

And its dangerous. It promotes division and allows for the rationalization of violence onto a perceived enemy. Which they are not!

I'll play your game.

What percentage of people coming across the border claim asylum?  Are they instantly considered "legal" at that point?  Is there, or should there be a vetting process to determine legality of their crossing?  Can claiming "asylum" ever be disproven?

Does the word "illegal" really bother you that much?  

What racists remarks were made by "a moron at 1600"?  Be specific and prove why they are racists.  Why wouldn't they all be characterized as "illegals" when in fact they are until vetted...no?  How is it un-empathetic to make sure everyone is vetted before being let into the country?  Have you asked those people if they feel bad because of a word?   Where does the word "quasi-isolationist" come from??  What is wrong with America First??  Do you not want to make America First?  Isn't letting people come here LEGALLY not one of the things that make America a great country?  Who on here is against letting people come here LEGALLY?  

Do you want open borders?  For all?  Just specific groups?  Do you think what is going on now is okay and is sustainable?

Does your last two sentences have any basis in reality other than in your fragile mind?

[Scouts Honor]

4 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

'Probably' is doing some heavy lifting there. 

How many important decisions in your life do you decide based on 'probably' FROM REDDIT? 

The plural of anecdote is NOT DATA! How is that so hard to understand? 

You want to believe that its true so you'll twist your logic(which in this case is far from it) into pretzel to convince yourself knowing that there is a decent chance that its not true at all. By your own words. 

Why? What do you have to gain? 

https://nypost.com/2024/06/14/us-news/how-non-citizens-are-getting-voter-registration-forms-across-the-us-and-how-republicans-are-trying-to-stop-it/

[Scouts Honor]

4 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

What is the point and what is your preferred solution under the current president? 

Its the same argument as before. Can the president control the price of gasoline? No. 

Can the SEC sue to block mergers that may be disadvantageous to the consumer? Yes. 

Everyone and their mother has been saying that inflation is back down. It is. But companies that have made record profits have not lowered their prices back to pre-pandemic levels. Because why would they? What do they have to lose at this point? A handful of companies control most the market share for the products and services that we all need to live: food(which you mentioned) that includes agricultural industries, power, and housing. 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/business/retailers-cutting-prices/index.html (this article talks more about 'discretionary spending' but hints that food prices might fall along with the rest)

This is by no means a guarantee but please answer this question: How can the President effect the price of food in a tangible way?