Seattle's effort to help gig workers hurts gig workers

[mspart]

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/tired-seattles-new-food-delivery-fees-one-driver-took-things-into-his-own-hands/MHCVFIV6AZASLCWHJAJMIR2EDE/

SEATTLE — Food delivery drivers say they’ve been getting fewer orders since Seattle implemented new minimum wage requirements for delivery workers a month ago.

Delivery companies like DoorDash and Uber Eats have tacked on more fees for customers in the wake of those new wage rules, sparking ire and backlash. And those companies say that demand has fallen as a result.

A spokesperson for Uber told KIRO7 Monday night that Uber Eats drivers in Seattle are now waiting 30% longer for jobs, and it is “tracking a steady decline in demand from customers.”

Another leftist idea crashing and burning.   Now the gig workers are making less.  Way to go!!   Anyone with common sense could have seen this coming.   Raise the cost of doing business and the service costs have to rise as well.  

mspart

 

[ionel]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/tired-seattles-new-food-delivery-fees-one-driver-took-things-into-his-own-hands/MHCVFIV6AZASLCWHJAJMIR2EDE/

SEATTLE — Food delivery drivers say they’ve been getting fewer orders since Seattle implemented new minimum wage requirements for delivery workers a month ago.

Delivery companies like DoorDash and Uber Eats have tacked on more fees for customers in the wake of those new wage rules, sparking ire and backlash. And those companies say that demand has fallen as a result.

A spokesperson for Uber told KIRO7 Monday night that Uber Eats drivers in Seattle are now waiting 30% longer for jobs, and it is “tracking a steady decline in demand from customers.”

Another leftist idea crashing and burning.   Now the gig workers are making less.  Way to go!!   Anyone with common sense could have seen this coming.   Raise the cost of doing business and the service costs have to rise as well.  

mspart

 

Maybe folks just went on a diet?  

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

Maybe folks just went on a diet?  

The old wallet diet

[Offthemat]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

Maybe folks just went on a diet?  

The drivers and the customers. 

[mspart]

Welcome to leftist economics.   All about the worker, not about the consumer or the business entity.  Raise costs on the business, raise costs to the consumer, consumer decides he/she doesn't need the service.   Basic Econ 099.

mspart

[Offthemat]

Thomas Sowell said his study of minimum wage laws showed that their main effect was increased unemployment.  In my experience, I find them also to be inflationary. 

[Lipdrag]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

Anyone with common sense could have seen this coming.   Raise the cost of doing business and the service costs have to rise as well.  

Reality just won't play ball with fantasy concepts like "Let's make it more expensive and expect the customers to act the same."

Reality sucks.

[Lipdrag]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

Maybe folks just went on a diet?  

Yes they did.  Just like the Venezuelans went on a big socialist diet

[ionel]

21 minutes ago, Lipdrag said:

Yes they did.  Just like the Venezuelans went on a big socialist diet

Should we call it the Cornpop diet?  

[Ohio Elite]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Should we call it the Cornpop diet?  

He was a bad dude.

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Should we call it the Cornpop diet?  

[GreatWhiteNorth]

This isn't something specific to Seattle. And the thought behind it is well intentioned. It's just that it's bad.

In other states, same type of thing is being supported by R's as well as D's.

I 100% agree with your point about the workers. But I disagree with you blaming it on the left and calling it a day.

The end of the story should be focused on how to fix it.

If the end of the story is focused on who to blame it on, it's just lazy. Don't stop there - keep going and contribute.

[JimmyBT]

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2024/02/13/minimum-wage-us-senate-california-debate.html
 

Its not a Republican that’s pushing a $50 minimum wage in California.  

Edited February 15 by JimmyBT

[headshuck]

Trying to win over voters or just get into the headlines?

[Offthemat]

44 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Trying to win over voters or just get into the headlines?

Yes

[mspart]

17 hours ago, Lipdrag said:

Yes they did.  Just like the Venezuelans went on a big socialist diet

I can verify that Maracaibo area was doing pretty well back when I lived there.   For South America, they had it pretty good.   Most people had food, a place to live, nice clothes, a refrigerator, and some had a car.   There was  not a concern where the next meal would come from.   That is freedom really.   To be sure there was dirt poor folks  that had that concern.  I would call them the poor, those that did not have a concern middle class.   Then there was the uber rich.   I was surprised by how many middle class type people there were.   A majority I'd say.   Apparently not so now. 

mspart

[mspart]

13 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

This isn't something specific to Seattle. And the thought behind it is well intentioned. It's just that it's bad.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.   I've heard this as a kid.   Just a little research and thinking would have predicted the outcome.   The intention - to guarantee gig workers a minimum pay ended up having them make much less than they were without the intervention.   Good intentions are not enough in the real world.  

mspart

[Bigbrog]

10 minutes ago, mspart said:

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.   I've heard this as a kid.   Just a little research and thinking would have predicted the outcome.   The intention - to guarantee gig workers a minimum pay ended up having them make much less than they were without the intervention.   Good intentions are not enough in the real world.  

mspart

This!  I always say that this is what happens when people make decisions based purely on emotions/feelings and put no logic, foresight, or data into the decision.

[mspart]

My intention was good.   To electrify the house.    Too bad I did it wrong and burned the house down.   But my intentions were good. 

My intention was good.   I wanted to write the perfect paper.   I got help from other authors without their permission or citation.   But my intentions were good.

My intention was good.   Try to get people out of poverty.   Part of the rules were that married people would not get the benefits but singles would.   Wow, talk about out of wedlock births skying through the roof.   Talk about keeping generations in single households an in poverty.    But my intention was good. 

My intention was good.   Legalize drugs so we get rid of cartels.   Drugs got more potent, and more deaths were incurred.   More people are homeless and addicted than ever before.   But my intentions were good. 

My intention was good.   Do not charge people with law breaking for camping on streets and parks.   Next thing you know we have people addicted to drugs on the streets, pooping on said streets, peeing on said streets, dying on said streets.   Stores close due to rampant shoplifting which also has been decriminalized to help the poor.   The stores closing do more harm to the poor than the alleged assistance.   But my intentions were good.

My intention was good.   I placed more taxes on the evil businesses to make them pay their fair share.   What I didn't think would happen was that they would pass those tax costs on to their consumers.   I thought for sure they would pay out of pocket for these taxes.  So I get more money in taxes (yay!!) but the consumers have less money (sad) and the business leaders are making more money (sad) so overall a good deal for me.   But my intentions were good. 

I could go on all day but this is tedious and obvious and self manifesting.   You don't need me to point these out.   There are visible for everyone to see.  

mspart

 

[Lipdrag]

15 minutes ago, mspart said:

There are visible for everyone to see.  

People see what they believe  Even when the opposite is extremely visible.  Right up until reality becomes undeniable. 

I am repeatedly amazed at the superhuman ability to deny reality by some of our fellow ordinary appearing humans.

[Husker_Du]

15 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

And the thought behind it is well intentioned.  But I disagree with you blaming it on the left and calling it a day.

 

jfc.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

8 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

 23 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

And the thought behind it is well intentioned.  But I disagree with you blaming it on the left and calling it a day.

 

jfc.

 

On 2/14/2024 at 10:45 PM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

This isn't something specific to Seattle. And the thought behind it is well intentioned. It's just that it's bad.

In other states, same type of thing is being supported by R's as well as D's.

I 100% agree with your point about the workers. But I disagree with you blaming it on the left and calling it a day.

The end of the story should be focused on how to fix it.

If the end of the story is focused on who to blame it on, it's just lazy. Don't stop there - keep going and contribute.

What you're posting here is not at all what I posted, but an edited, warped, and misleading version of it.

My post is clearly that I believed the thought was well intentioned but that it is bad.

And that I agreed 100% except that it was supported by both R's and D's, so I disagreed about blaming it on D's.

You've twisted what I've said into something I did not.

Dangerously close to posting like a downright evil Fox News loving bastard.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

9 hours ago, mspart said:

My intention was good.   To electrify the house.    Too bad I did it wrong and burned the house down.   But my intentions were good. 

My intention was good.   I wanted to write the perfect paper.   I got help from other authors without their permission or citation.   But my intentions were good.

My intention was good.   Try to get people out of poverty.   Part of the rules were that married people would not get the benefits but singles would.   Wow, talk about out of wedlock births skying through the roof.   Talk about keeping generations in single households an in poverty.    But my intention was good. 

My intention was good.   Legalize drugs so we get rid of cartels.   Drugs got more potent, and more deaths were incurred.   More people are homeless and addicted than ever before.   But my intentions were good. 

My intention was good.   Do not charge people with law breaking for camping on streets and parks.   Next thing you know we have people addicted to drugs on the streets, pooping on said streets, peeing on said streets, dying on said streets.   Stores close due to rampant shoplifting which also has been decriminalized to help the poor.   The stores closing do more harm to the poor than the alleged assistance.   But my intentions were good.

My intention was good.   I placed more taxes on the evil businesses to make them pay their fair share.   What I didn't think would happen was that they would pass those tax costs on to their consumers.   I thought for sure they would pay out of pocket for these taxes.  So I get more money in taxes (yay!!) but the consumers have less money (sad) and the business leaders are making more money (sad) so overall a good deal for me.   But my intentions were good. 

I could go on all day but this is tedious and obvious and self manifesting.   You don't need me to point these out.   There are visible for everyone to see.  

mspart

 

Art, you did get the part where I said that "it is well intentioned. It's just that it's bad.", right?

It was in the 1st line of the post. Maybe you missed it?

Edited February 16 by GreatWhiteNorth

[GreatWhiteNorth]

10 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

This!  I always say that this is what happens when people make decisions based purely on emotions/feelings and put no logic, foresight, or data into the decision.

Maybe, maybe not. 

The decision was obviously a bad one. How the decision was arrived at isn't necessarily as clear. It's anyone's guess.

[JimmyBT]

9 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

 

What you're posting here is not at all what I posted, but an edited, warped, and misleading version of it.

My post is clearly that I believed the thought was well intentioned but that it is bad.

And that I agreed 100% except that it was supported by both R's and D's, so I disagreed about blaming it on D's.

You've twisted what I've said into something I did not.

Dangerously close to posting like a downright evil Fox News loving bastard.

So much for your peace sign huh??