jross Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I had no idea how the different videos fit together until watching this awesome J6 timeline. https://open.ink/collections/j6 So many questions. 3
WrestlingRasta Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Why do all these different sites and publishers feel individually like they have the never seen all comprehensive footage. Are they trying to compete with Tucker?
Bigbrog Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Why does someone's video of Jan 6th always have to do with Tucker?? Weird.... Anyway, what are people so afraid of when it comes to new video's of that day?? That it won't jive with what ABC/CNN/MSNBC's news told them???. Hypocrisy is abound when it comes to Jan 6th. If both sides were honest, everyone would be open to any and all videos, all the "evidence" and not jump on the political wordsmithing MSM bandwagon every second they can get to call things big bad names so it sounds ten times worse than it TRULY was...and all that just for political reasons. Here is a hint...you can not like Trump and not think Jan 6th was an INSURECTION!! I know the media tells you those two things aren't exclusive...but they are. The saddest part is that MSM and people who follow them without questions pick and choose what they get all mad about instead of being consistent in what is a "protest", a "riot", etc. Makes a lot of people look really stupid...especially when they come on here and speak as if they are all knowing that Jan 6th was this HORRIFIC time in our history and lie to themselves by saying that group of idiots on Jan 6th went there to overthrow the election and yell INSERECTION!! Half of you probably don't even know what that word means except for what the news fed you. 3 1
JimmyBT Posted January 9 Posted January 9 17 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: Why does someone's video of Jan 6th always have to do with Tucker?? Weird.... Anyway, what are people so afraid of when it comes to new video's of that day?? That it won't jive with what ABC/CNN/MSNBC's news told them???. Hypocrisy is abound when it comes to Jan 6th. If both sides were honest, everyone would be open to any and all videos, all the "evidence" and not jump on the political wordsmithing MSM bandwagon every second they can get to call things big bad names so it sounds ten times worse than it TRULY was...and all that just for political reasons. Here is a hint...you can not like Trump and not think Jan 6th was an INSURECTION!! I know the media tells you those two things aren't exclusive...but they are. The saddest part is that MSM and people who follow them without questions pick and choose what they get all mad about instead of being consistent in what is a "protest", a "riot", etc. Makes a lot of people look really stupid...especially when they come on here and speak as if they are all knowing that Jan 6th was this HORRIFIC time in our history and lie to themselves by saying that group of idiots on Jan 6th went there to overthrow the election and yell INSERECTION!! Half of you probably don't even know what that word means except for what the news fed you. The one you’re replying to has TDS bad. And not just the Trump one.
Plasmodium Posted January 9 Posted January 9 42 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: Why does someone's video of Jan 6th always have to do with Tucker?? Weird.... Anyway, what are people so afraid of when it comes to new video's of that day?? That it won't jive with what ABC/CNN/MSNBC's news told them???. Hypocrisy is abound when it comes to Jan 6th. If both sides were honest, everyone would be open to any and all videos, all the "evidence" and not jump on the political wordsmithing MSM bandwagon every second they can get to call things big bad names so it sounds ten times worse than it TRULY was...and all that just for political reasons. Here is a hint...you can not like Trump and not think Jan 6th was an INSURECTION!! I know the media tells you those two things aren't exclusive...but they are. The saddest part is that MSM and people who follow them without questions pick and choose what they get all mad about instead of being consistent in what is a "protest", a "riot", etc. Makes a lot of people look really stupid...especially when they come on here and speak as if they are all knowing that Jan 6th was this HORRIFIC time in our history and lie to themselves by saying that group of idiots on Jan 6th went there to overthrow the election and yell INSERECTION!! Half of you probably don't even know what that word means except for what the news fed you. This might clear it up. https://www.britannica.com/topic/insurrection-politics
WrestlingRasta Posted January 9 Posted January 9 50 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: Why does someone's video of Jan 6th always have to do with Tucker?? Weird.... Obviously not every video does, but there are times when I just enjoy playing the Tucker card. Anyway, what are people so afraid of when it comes to new video's of that day?? That it won't jive with what ABC/CNN/MSNBC's news told them???. Couldn’t agree more Hypocrisy is abound when it comes to Jan 6th. If both sides were honest, everyone would be open to any and all videos, all the "evidence" and not jump on the political wordsmithing MSM bandwagon every second they can get to call things big bad names so it sounds ten times worse than it TRULY was...and all that just for political reasons. Here is a hint...you can not like Trump and not think Jan 6th was an INSURECTION!! I know the media tells you those two things aren't exclusive...but they are. Couldn’t agree more. The saddest part is that MSM and people who follow them without questions pick and choose what they get all mad about instead of being consistent in what is a "protest", a "riot", etc. Makes a lot of people look really stupid...especially when they come on here and speak as if they are all knowing that Jan 6th was this HORRIFIC time in our history and lie to themselves by saying that group of idiots on Jan 6th went there to overthrow the election and yell INSERECTION!! Half of you probably don't even know what that word means except for what the news fed you. Couldn’t agree more with the principles you speak of here. 1
jross Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) How many people knew that Trump approved authorization for the National Guard before January 6th? -------- House of Representative Discussion on Wednesday, May 12, 2021 U.S. Congressman Byron Donalds... A couple of questions. Mr. Miller, I know that you said earlier that you were in contact with—or you received a request from Mayor Bowser with respect to National Guard troops. When did you receive that request from Mayor Bowser? U.S. Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller. December 31, 2020. I spent the weekend reviewing it to finalize the plan with the D.C. National Guard and the Department of the Army and Army staff. Mr. DONALDS. At what point did you and President Trump discuss this request from Mayor Bowser? Mr. MILLER. I had a meeting with President Trump on the 3rd of January concerning some international threats, and at the very end, he asked if there were any requests for National Guard support, and I informed him of Mayor Bowser’s request. Mr. DONALDS. Mr. Miller, to clarify that point, did you tell the President about the Mayor’s request, or did President Trump ask if there were requests? Mr. MILLER. He asked if there were requests. Mr. DONALDS. What was the President’s response to you concerning the request made by Mayor Bowser? Mr. MILLER. Fill it and do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators and that were executing their constitutionally protected rights. -------- https://www.congress.gov/event/117th-congress/house-event/LC66768/text?s=1&r=65 Edited January 9 by jross update link to congress version 1
Paul158 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 5 hours ago, jross said: I had no idea how the different videos fit together until watching this awesome J6 timeline. https://open.ink/collections/j6 So many questions. They did a great job putting this together. 1
jross Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) Check out the tyrannical words that Carolyn Maloney used in her opening statement to frame the events in a particular way, evoke emotion, persuade... its rhetoric. --------- Today, the committee will examine one of the darkest days in our Nation's history, the January 6 insurrection at the United States Capitol. On that day, a violent mob, incited by shameless lies told by a defeated President, launched the worst attack on our Republic since the Civil War. It was harrowing and heartbreaking. We watched as the temple of our democracy, a building we are as familiar with as our own homes, was overrun by a mob bent on murdering the Vice President and Members of Congress. The mob's goal was clear. They were trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the newly elected President by halting the counting of electoral votes. This insurrection failed, but not before police officers were attacked and had to use deadly force to protect Members of Congress. Shots were fired mere feet from the House floor. Because of this horrific attack, four private citizens died. Three police officers lost their lives. Had it not been for the heroic men and women of law enforcement who faced down the mob, there would have been even more bloodshed that day. We know who provoked this attack. That is why 17 House and Senate Republicans joined all congressional Democrats in the bipartisan effort to impeach and convict for, and I quote, "inciting violence against the Government of the United States." To quote Senator Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, "There is no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events that day." But the failures of January 6 go beyond the craven lies and provocations of one man. The Federal Government was unprepared for this insurrection, even though it was planned in plain sight on social media for the world to see. And despite all the military and law enforcement resources our Government can call upon in a crisis, security collapsed in the face of the mob, and reinforcements were delayed for hours as the Capitol was overrun. It is our duty to understand what went wrong that day, to seek accountability, and to take action to prevent this from ever happening again. --------- Edited January 9 by jross 1
mspart Posted January 9 Posted January 9 51 minutes ago, jross said: How many people knew that Trump approved authorization for the National Guard before January 6th? -------- House of Representative Discussion on Wednesday, May 12, 2021 U.S. Congressman Byron Donalds... A couple of questions. Mr. Miller, I know that you said earlier that you were in contact with—or you received a request from Mayor Bowser with respect to National Guard troops. When did you receive that request from Mayor Bowser? U.S. Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller. December 31, 2020. I spent the weekend reviewing it to finalize the plan with the D.C. National Guard and the Department of the Army and Army staff. Mr. DONALDS. At what point did you and President Trump discuss this request from Mayor Bowser? Mr. MILLER. I had a meeting with President Trump on the 3rd of January concerning some international threats, and at the very end, he asked if there were any requests for National Guard support, and I informed him of Mayor Bowser’s request. Mr. DONALDS. Mr. Miller, to clarify that point, did you tell the President about the Mayor’s request, or did President Trump ask if there were requests? Mr. MILLER. He asked if there were requests. Mr. DONALDS. What was the President’s response to you concerning the request made by Mayor Bowser? Mr. MILLER. Fill it and do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators and that were executing their constitutionally protected rights. -------- https://www.congress.gov/event/117th-congress/house-event/LC66768/text?s=1&r=65 Well, I'm sure Trump secretly made sure this didn't happen even though he told his Secretary of Defense to make it happen. And the Secretary was unaware of this. Just another person that Trump scammed no doubt. mspart
jross Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) Why would Trump incite violence while also approving the National Guard in advance of the protest? (???) Did this Democratic-led committee fulfill its duty to understand what went wrong? (no) According to the committee chair Bernie Thompson "I'm actually not aware of any member of the committee who had access (to videos). We had a team of employees who kind of went through the video." They did not investigate the FBI role before and during the demonstrations. Was the federal government unprepared? (maybe) Why did House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger deny U.S. Capitol Police Steven Sund's pre-demonstration request for the National Guard? Was it really "optics" when the president had already approved the NG request? Was the mob's goal clear? (no) Was the mob bent on murdering Pence? (the mob? - no) Did Trump alone provoke the attack? (no, we've been told by Congress that the FBI instigated 10 months before the event, and we visually see law enforcement attack large groups of protestors without warning. From whistleblowers, videos, and court documents, we also know antifa was involved, and people who just enjoy violence/mayhem for the sake of it.) Was Trump justified in calling the election rigged? (We know it was rigged to a certain degree (pre-election law changes, big tech censorship) and time will tell us more about election days rigging ) Relating to the emotional words (darkest days, heartbreaking, lies) depends on the extent the election was rigged... which bubble burst has still not had evidence reviewed in the court of law. (...Georgia case for example) Edited January 9 by jross 1 1
jross Posted January 9 Posted January 9 20 hours ago, Offthemat said: Who built the gallows? I’ll give you a hint. They arrived well before daylight, assembled the gallows, and promptly walked to the coffee shop across the street from the FBI Building, where lots of FBI agents frequent. This is all on video, yet their identity remains as elusive as the bomber’s. Second video here has the gallows questions. 2 1
mspart Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Can anyone look at that rickity gallows and think it is serious? Obviously it was not serious and that is why no one that has seen it brings it up anymore. It was a prop to hang a noose on. It would not support the weight of anyone on it. It looked real dangerous. mspart
Paul158 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, jross said: Why would Trump incite violence while also approving the National Guard in advance of the protest? (???) Did this Democratic-led committee fulfill its duty to understand what went wrong? (no) According to the committee chair Bernie Thompson "I'm actually not aware of any member of the committee who had access (to videos). We had a team of employees who kind of went through the video." They did not investigate the FBI role before and during the demonstrations. Was the federal government unprepared? (maybe) Why did House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger deny U.S. Capitol Police Steven Sund's pre-demonstration request for the National Guard? Was it really "optics" when the president had already approved the NG request? Was the mob's goal clear? (no) Was the mob bent on murdering Pence? (the mob? - no) Did Trump alone provoke the attack? (no, we've been told by Congress that the FBI instigated 10 months before the event, and we visually see law enforcement attack large groups of protestors without warning. From whistleblowers, videos, and court documents, we also know antifa was involved, and people who just enjoy violence/mayhem for the sake of it.) Was Trump justified in calling the election rigged? (We know it was rigged to a certain degree (pre-election law changes, big tech censorship) and time will tell us more about election days rigging ) Relating to the emotional words (darkest days, heartbreaking, lies) depends on the extent the election was rigged... which bubble burst has still not had evidence reviewed in the court of law. (...Georgia case for example) When whomever Republicans elect for president gets in office, I hope the Attorney General they appoint gets to the bottom of all this. It would really be nice have justice served. I think most Americans in general are little tired of all the corruption in Washington DC.
Paul158 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, jross said: Check out the tyrannical words that Carolyn Maloney used in her opening statement to frame the events in a particular way, evoke emotion, persuade... its rhetoric. --------- Today, the committee will examine one of the darkest days in our Nation's history, the January 6 insurrection at the United States Capitol. On that day, a violent mob, incited by shameless lies told by a defeated President, launched the worst attack on our Republic since the Civil War. It was harrowing and heartbreaking. We watched as the temple of our democracy, a building we are as familiar with as our own homes, was overrun by a mob bent on murdering the Vice President and Members of Congress. The mob's goal was clear. They were trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the newly elected President by halting the counting of electoral votes. This insurrection failed, but not before police officers were attacked and had to use deadly force to protect Members of Congress. Shots were fired mere feet from the House floor. Because of this horrific attack, four private citizens died. Three police officers lost their lives. Had it not been for the heroic men and women of law enforcement who faced down the mob, there would have been even more bloodshed that day. We know who provoked this attack. That is why 17 House and Senate Republicans joined all congressional Democrats in the bipartisan effort to impeach and convict for, and I quote, "inciting violence against the Government of the United States." To quote Senator Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, "There is no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events that day." But the failures of January 6 go beyond the craven lies and provocations of one man. The Federal Government was unprepared for this insurrection, even though it was planned in plain sight on social media for the world to see. And despite all the military and law enforcement resources our Government can call upon in a crisis, security collapsed in the face of the mob, and reinforcements were delayed for hours as the Capitol was overrun. It is our duty to understand what went wrong that day, to seek accountability, and to take action to prevent this from ever happening again. --------- There are quite a few lies entangled in all those words. It will be nice to have a real Jan. 6 th hearing when we have a real President in office and a honest DOJ.
WrestlingRasta Posted January 10 Posted January 10 39 minutes ago, Paul158 said: When whomever Republicans elect for president gets in office, I hope the Attorney General they appoint gets to the bottom of all this. It would really be nice have justice served. I think most Americans in general are little tired of all the corruption in Washington DC. Nah, most Americans are only tired of half the corruption in Washington, the other half of the corruption is….okay. 1
ionel Posted January 10 Posted January 10 35 minutes ago, mspart said: This is most likely true. mspart maybe half true 1 1 2BPE 11/17/24 SMC
Offthemat Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 hours ago, jross said: Why would Trump incite violence while also approving the National Guard in advance of the protest? (???) Did this Democratic-led committee fulfill its duty to understand what went wrong? (no) According to the committee chair Bernie Thompson "I'm actually not aware of any member of the committee who had access (to videos). We had a team of employees who kind of went through the video." They did not investigate the FBI role before and during the demonstrations. Was the federal government unprepared? (maybe) Why did House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger deny U.S. Capitol Police Steven Sund's pre-demonstration request for the National Guard? Was it really "optics" when the president had already approved the NG request? Was the mob's goal clear? (no) Was the mob bent on murdering Pence? (the mob? - no) Did Trump alone provoke the attack? (no, we've been told by Congress that the FBI instigated 10 months before the event, and we visually see law enforcement attack large groups of protestors without warning. From whistleblowers, videos, and court documents, we also know antifa was involved, and people who just enjoy violence/mayhem for the sake of it.) Was Trump justified in calling the election rigged? (We know it was rigged to a certain degree (pre-election law changes, big tech censorship) and time will tell us more about election days rigging ) Relating to the emotional words (darkest days, heartbreaking, lies) depends on the extent the election was rigged... which bubble burst has still not had evidence reviewed in the court of law. (...Georgia case for example) I’ve noticed that every time Higgens speaks about his evidence he refers to Jan. 4th, 5th, and 6th. 1
Plasmodium Posted January 10 Posted January 10 7 hours ago, jross said: Check out the tyrannical words that Carolyn Maloney used in her opening statement to frame the events in a particular way, evoke emotion, persuade... its rhetoric. --------- Today, the committee will examine one of the darkest days in our Nation's history, the January 6 insurrection at the United States Capitol. On that day, a violent mob, incited by shameless lies told by a defeated President, launched the worst attack on our Republic since the Civil War. It was harrowing and heartbreaking. We watched as the temple of our democracy, a building we are as familiar with as our own homes, was overrun by a mob bent on murdering the Vice President and Members of Congress. The mob's goal was clear. They were trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the newly elected President by halting the counting of electoral votes. This insurrection failed, but not before police officers were attacked and had to use deadly force to protect Members of Congress. Shots were fired mere feet from the House floor. Because of this horrific attack, four private citizens died. Three police officers lost their lives. Had it not been for the heroic men and women of law enforcement who faced down the mob, there would have been even more bloodshed that day. We know who provoked this attack. That is why 17 House and Senate Republicans joined all congressional Democrats in the bipartisan effort to impeach and convict for, and I quote, "inciting violence against the Government of the United States." To quote Senator Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, "There is no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events that day." But the failures of January 6 go beyond the craven lies and provocations of one man. The Federal Government was unprepared for this insurrection, even though it was planned in plain sight on social media for the world to see. And despite all the military and law enforcement resources our Government can call upon in a crisis, security collapsed in the face of the mob, and reinforcements were delayed for hours as the Capitol was overrun. It is our duty to understand what went wrong that day, to seek accountability, and to take action to prevent this from ever happening again. --------- This was well written
Plasmodium Posted January 10 Posted January 10 6 hours ago, jross said: Second video here has the gallows questions. Zero reason to think trenchcoat went for coffee, let alone to a specific cafe.
Plasmodium Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, jross said: Why would Trump incite violence while also approving the National Guard in advance of the protest? (???)this behavior is in his nature. Did this Democratic-led committee fulfill its duty to understand what went wrong? (no) According to the committee chair Bernie Thompson "I'm actually not aware of any member of the committee who had access (to videos). We had a team of employees who kind of went through the video."no way a congressman sifts through 40k hours of video They did not investigate the FBI role before and during the demonstrations. Was the federal government unprepared? (maybe) Why did House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger deny U.S. Capitol Police Steven Sund's pre-demonstration request for the National Guard? Was it really "optics" when the president had already approved the NG request? Was the mob's goal clear? (no)true, in that it lacked leadership. Definitely had the mission of taking the capitol and disrupting congress. Was the mob bent on murdering Pence? (the mob? - no)also true, although that doesn’t speak to individuals. Did Trump alone provoke the attack? (no, we've been told by Congress that the FBI instigated 10 months before the event, and we visually see law enforcement attack large groups of protestors without warning. From whistleblowers, videos, and court documents, we also know antifa was involved, and people who just enjoy violence/mayhem for the sake of it.)LOL Was Trump justified in calling the election rigged? (We know it was rigged to a certain degree (pre-election law changes, big tech censorship) and time will tell us more about election days rigging )LOL Relating to the emotional words (darkest days, heartbreaking, lies) depends on the extent the election was rigged... which bubble burst has still not had evidence reviewed in the court of law. (...Georgia case for example)any other examples? It is a drop in the bucket relative to the scale of the election. Edited January 10 by Plasmodium
WrestlingRasta Posted January 10 Posted January 10 12 hours ago, Paul158 said: There are quite a few lies entangled in all those words. It will be nice to have a real Jan. 6 th hearing when we have a real President in office and a honest DOJ. I’m seriously curious: Which parts do you believe are lies, and what led you to believe they were lies?
jross Posted January 10 Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: I’m seriously curious: Which parts do you believe are lies, and what led you to believe they were lies? Ashli Babbitt was shot by law enforcement. Rosanne Boyland died of an amphetamine overdose. Kevin Greeson and Benjamin Philips died naturally from coronary heart disease and hypertensive heart disease. Three civilian deaths were natural causes due to pre-existing health conditions / non-violent factors. Five cops died on a later date from natural causes and suicide. This statement leaves out context and implies these folks died from J6 violence. Quote Because of this horrific attack, four private citizens died. Three police officers lost their lives. Had it not been for the heroic men and women of law enforcement who faced down the mob, there would have been even more bloodshed that day. 1
jross Posted January 10 Posted January 10 7 hours ago, Plasmodium said: This was well written Yes, it is well-written in its effectiveness to create reader emotion, event characterization, and blame. It's propaganda that folks continue to parrot. 1
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