No BS...Is AJ wrestling this year?

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 6:46 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

I'll give him 20% in any given match. Whats your number?

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Any given match or any against Brooks?

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/29/2023 at 6:50 PM, ionel said:

Any given match or any against Brooks?

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obviously against brooks. When I said "any given match" i just meant 20% based on the idea they were gonna wrestle 3 times or whatever. Your %?

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 6:51 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

obviously against brooks. When I said "any given match" i just meant 20% based on the idea they were gonna wrestle 3 times or whatever. Your %?

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He's almost ready to wrestle his first match.  I might change mind after but I'd go 45% first time but 25% second (Carl has a plan). 

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/29/2023 at 6:54 PM, ionel said:

He's almost ready to wrestle his first match.  I might change mind after but I'd go 45% first time but 25% second (Carl has a plan). 

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supposedly dave schultz would lose folkstyle matches on purpose to hide his feel from people and mess with thier heads at NCAAs, i don't think PSU does that but to your point they seem to save the game planning for march...

[VakAttack]

  On 12/29/2023 at 5:05 PM, BAC said:

I agree in part but mostly disagree.  Yes, he has elite strength and speed, but he's never had an elite offense.  It is his defense that's made the difference in close matches.  Keep distance, use his strength/speed to keep opponents at bay, and sneak in for a score.  Lots of 3-1, 4-2 type matches, against Jake Woodley type guys.  Has he ever beaten a top-20 guy by more than 5 points?  I don't think so.

I'm not faulting him for that approach.  It's the best winning formula for him until he learns to diversify and open up his offense.  But it's risky at best against someone with an equally stout defense (e.g. Trent Hidlay), and won't work at all against someone with a dynamic offense. Someone like Brooks.

Remember, a couple weeks after winning NCAAs in 2021, Ferrari entered WTTs, where he promptly lost to Macchiavello, and then Ben Honis.  Brooks, meanwhile, lost only to David Taylor at 2023 WTTs, and convincingly beat Zahid Valencia along the way -- who ended up bumping up a weight and winning a world medal.  These guys just aren't on the same level.  

Maybe AJ's defense would keep him from getting majored by Brooks, but I think a Brooks MD is far more likely than a Ferrari win.  Even at AJ's best I think Hidlay beats him 8-9 times out of 10.

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I think you're underselling Ferrari hugely.  Firstly, on the OTT stuff, Ferrari was wrestling 97kg, which is significantly bigger than his college weight.  Brooks has been competing at 86 kg, which is much closer to his college weight.

He was a true freshman NCAA champ at 197 lbs, which I think is a first.  He's a year YOUNGER than Brooks.  You're assuming regression, whereas I think stagnation is far more likely, but even then, you're basing that in lack of competition, but the Ferraris were notorious for not competing much. I think he's clearly a threat to Brooks.  I wish he wasn't wrestling for Iowa, but I think you're crazy for dismissing him. 

I'm picking Brooks, though. 

[MPhillips]

TF early third I believe. He's going to easily fill the, 'villain' role if he rosters up this season...

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 6:58 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

supposedly dave schultz would lose folkstyle matches on purpose to hide his feel from people and mess with thier heads at NCAAs, i don't think PSU does that but to your point they seem to save the game planning for march...

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I'll stick with my numbers but not sure if he will survive till b10s, he's showing palsy both right and left side now.    

Edited December 29, 2023 by ionel

[Jim L]

  On 12/29/2023 at 3:31 PM, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Brooks is actually about the same height as former 157 pound champ David Carr

 

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Also about the, same height as Gable

[JimmyBT]

AJ participating seems good for college wrestling.  

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 8:23 PM, JimmyBT said:

AJ participating seems good for college wrestling.  

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lowering image is good?  

[Caveira]

Brooks is listed at 5’9 no?

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/29/2023 at 7:13 PM, ionel said:

I'll stick with my numbers but not sure if he will survive till b10s, he's showing palsy both right and left side now.    

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how do you watch?

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 9:11 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

how do you watch?

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https://iasportsco.smoothcomp.com/en/event/14853/schedule?catid=20335

Select bracket wt then scroll down to find bracket matches.

[JimmyBT]

  On 12/29/2023 at 8:30 PM, ionel said:

lowering image is good?  

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All the discussion he gets from places like this isn’t good?   There’s an old saying that “any publicity is good publicity”.  Just because you and others don’t like him doesn’t really mean squat.  

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 10:03 PM, JimmyBT said:

All the discussion he gets from places like this isn’t good?   There’s an old saying that “any publicity is good publicity”.  Just because you and others don’t like him doesn’t really mean squat.  

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I simply don't like what he did.

[JimmyBT]

  On 12/29/2023 at 10:06 PM, ionel said:

I simply don't like what he did.

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Which makes it not good for wrestling that he’s participating?? 

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 10:10 PM, JimmyBT said:

Which makes it not good for wrestling that he’s participating?? 

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I would not say it is "good" for wrestling image as you have so guess that means it is not good or at best neutral. 

[JimmyBT]

  On 12/29/2023 at 10:13 PM, ionel said:

I would not say it is "good" for wrestling image as you have so guess that means it is not good or at best neutral. 

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College wrestling’s image is just fine with or without him. 

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 10:15 PM, JimmyBT said:

College wrestling’s image is just fine with or without him. 

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So at best neutral.

[Wrestleknownothing]

I do not know of any wrestler who got better by not wrestling for two years. I do not even know anyone who has gotten better at anything by not doing it for two years.

[JimmyBT]

  On 12/29/2023 at 10:15 PM, JimmyBT said:

College wrestling’s image is just fine with or without him. 

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Not according to social media. 

[ionel]

  On 12/29/2023 at 11:17 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

I do not know of any wrestler who got better by not wrestling for two years. I do not even know anyone who has gotten better at anything by not doing it for two years.

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Not even Trump? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 12/29/2023 at 11:26 PM, ionel said:

Not even Trump? 

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Dan Gable was VERY clear on that topic.

[VakAttack]

  On 12/29/2023 at 11:17 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

I do not know of any wrestler who got better by not wrestling for two years. I do not even know anyone who has gotten better at anything by not doing it for two years.

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You're assuming he hasn't wrestled for two years. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 12/29/2023 at 11:46 PM, VakAttack said:

You're assuming he hasn't wrestled for two years. 

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I am. I also think it is a fair assumption.