Let's watch hypocrisy in action re: people talking about Trump and Biden guest starring wrestiing's own Bo Nickal

[VakAttack]

In the middle of a segment where they're complaining about media coverage, no less!

[ionel]

17 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

In the middle of a segment where they're complaining about media coverage, no less!

We talking wrestiing?

 

[ThreePointTakedown]

38 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

In the middle of a segment where they're complaining about media coverage, no less!

Seems like you're purposefully mocking Joe and the people who look to him for their facts and news of the day?

I can get on board with that. 

[Plasmodium]

LOL@ 2 Shameless schmucks!  Too funny.   Reminds me of someone, but I can't get my finger on it.

[uncle bernard]

45 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Seems like you're purposefully mocking Joe and the people who look to him for their facts and news of the day?

I can get on board with that. 

what are you talking about lol

[ThreePointTakedown]

That JR is a clown and I feel bad for people that take him seriously. I understand that deep down they just want to feel like the belong in the opinions that they have. That is what makes him and his ilk so dangerous. Yes, they'll get rich by selling the masses, carrying pitchforks, the direction of the monster's house. Each cult leader has the same set of tricks to keep the crowd from leaving to another cult:

• Tell them what they want to hear,
• tell them that the outside world doesn't understand them and won't accept them
• That anyone that questions the truth of the group should be ignored or worse
• That if they(the leader) were, in fact, wrong about anything, it wasn't their fault or anyone of a dozen gaslighting schemes to keep members from putting their confidence in anyone else but the leader
• Everything is in service to furthering the cause and further insolating supporters from the truth of the outside world

Read a book. Almost every cult and cult leader follows the same playbook. Why do you think it works so well? People want to believe the effort they have put in to their beliefs and the group they trust was worth it and are very resistant to uprooting themselves to try again. 

 That he uses his platform in this way is irresponsible. Anyone that reaches the level that he has should understand that and take it seriously. But that would require some introspection and someone to be able to tell him 'No'. I very much doubt he has or trusts anyone in his life that has that power. He is Alex Jones! Someone who shovels bs down the throats and brains of his listeners/viewers with little to know effort in determining the truthiness of his claims. Does a blind squirrel find a nut? Sometimes. He should not be satisfied with his % of success with the resources that he has. But he's factored it in to is ROI. Less effort costs less. Which equals more profit. If he tried to find the truth he would lose downloads and money. Which tells me he is ignorant or malevolent. Either way, not worth the time, IMO. 

I don't mean to insinuate that you fall into any of these categories btw. You just asked a question and I'm answering it. A bit long winded but I feel necessary. 

[WrestlingRasta]

I agree with most of what you said, except that 1) he is not Alex Jones. AJ is far, far worse.  I would say JR presents “different ideas” whereas AJ flat out lies. 
2) The idea he has some sort of responsibility to the masses. He is nothing more and never has been anything more than an entertainer, nor has he ever claimed to be more than an entertainer. Other people’s ignorance is not on him, individual responsibility and all…

[Ohio Elite]

2 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

That JR is a clown and I feel bad for people that take him seriously. I understand that deep down they just want to feel like the belong in the opinions that they have. That is what makes him and his ilk so dangerous. Yes, they'll get rich by selling the masses, carrying pitchforks, the direction of the monster's house. Each cult leader has the same set of tricks to keep the crowd from leaving to another cult:

• Tell them what they want to hear,
• tell them that the outside world doesn't understand them and won't accept them
• That anyone that questions the truth of the group should be ignored or worse
• That if they(the leader) were, in fact, wrong about anything, it wasn't their fault or anyone of a dozen gaslighting schemes to keep members from putting their confidence in anyone else but the leader
• Everything is in service to furthering the cause and further insolating supporters from the truth of the outside world

Read a book. Almost every cult and cult leader follows the same playbook. Why do you think it works so well? People want to believe the effort they have put in to their beliefs and the group they trust was worth it and are very resistant to uprooting themselves to try again. 

 That he uses his platform in this way is irresponsible. Anyone that reaches the level that he has should understand that and take it seriously. But that would require some introspection and someone to be able to tell him 'No'. I very much doubt he has or trusts anyone in his life that has that power. He is Alex Jones! Someone who shovels bs down the throats and brains of his listeners/viewers with little to know effort in determining the truthiness of his claims. Does a blind squirrel find a nut? Sometimes. He should not be satisfied with his % of success with the resources that he has. But he's factored it in to is ROI. Less effort costs less. Which equals more profit. If he tried to find the truth he would lose downloads and money. Which tells me he is ignorant or malevolent. Either way, not worth the time, IMO. 

I don't mean to insinuate that you fall into any of these categories btw. You just asked a question and I'm answering it. A bit long winded but I feel necessary. 

Please tell us, who exactly should we be listening too?  I want that top notch info like you're getting. Seems legit...

Edited December 27, 2023 by Ohio Elite

[ionel]

Why hasn't @BobDole come along to correct the spelling in the thread title?  Thought that was his main job.  

[Ohio Elite]

Just now, ionel said:

Why hasn't @BobDole come along to correct the spelling in the thread title?  Thought that was his main job.  

He's running a campaign... Duh

[Ohio Elite]

I hope @VakAttack spell checks he's legal paper work better than the Title of this thread LOL!!

 

Just kiddin I miss Pell shit all the time, and of course I don't realize it until after the time to edit has expired...

 

 

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

He's running a campaign... Duh

Didn't slow him down a month ago.

[Ohio Elite]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

Didn't slow him down a month ago.

New Donors

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

I hope @VakAttack spell checks he's legal paper work better than the Title of this thread LOL!!

 

Just kiddin I miss Pell shit all the time, and of course I don't realize it until after the time to edit has expired...

 

 

yeah @BoobDole gave @VikAttuck 15 minutes so I donut no how he miissed that.

[ThreePointTakedown]

16 hours ago, Ohio Elite said:

Please tell us, who exactly should we be listening too?  I want that top notch info like you're getting. Seems legit...

I listen to legal analysis podcasts made by people who don't need the job to live. Who aren't tied to whether or not I 'like' their content. They give a breakdown of some news of the day and how it may effect the law and the like. Give their opinions on legal theory and if a prosecutor or defense would or should be effective in a case and why. Since they have practiced they can say if it has worked for them in the past and site cases that you can research yourself. 

Its all going to be spun somehow. But if you're going to give up and not be critical of the information you take in, that's fine. But if you spout off an opinion that you're regurgitating from JR and we all know that he doesn't care if its true or not, I'm going to ask you if you know its true and why? Three things you can do at that point: have a conversation and explain, yell louder in the hopes I just leave you alone(not likely), or stop. Facts thrown at you can be overwhelming and/or just boring. So I understand if we need some color to put it in perspective. If you can't find the interest in the info with regards to your life and you need drama to make it interesting, watch the Kardashians. And there's a lot of info out there so its important to have a system in place to figure out if the info is legit. I question people that get their news from obvious opinion sources with little to no safeguards in place to determine truth. ie fox 'news' JR, Alex Jones, and the like. They are hucksters selling you snake oil or fear to pad their bottom line. News should be a little boring. Be careful with people putting on a show, there's a reason. 

And by 'you' I am not inferring that you(OE), yourself, do this, just the royal you of anyone who might want to do such a thing. Trolls are going to troll and that's fine but pointing them out so that others can join in and ignore them is, IMO, a good way to change the behavior and improve the discourse in the community. 

[Ohio Elite]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

I question people that get their news from obvious opinion sources with little to no safeguards in place to determine truth. ie fox 'news' JR, Alex Jones, and the like. They are hucksters selling you snake oil or fear to pad their bottom line. News should be a little boring. Be careful with people putting on a show, there's a reason. 

That was pretty well said. Curious about your personal thoughts on CNN and MSNBC? I noticed they were not mentioned specifically.

[ionel]

2 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

I question people that get their news from obvious opinion sources with little to no safeguards in place to determine truth. ie fox 'news' JR, Alex Jones, and the like. They are hucksters selling you snake oil or fear to pad their bottom line. News should be a little boring. Be careful with people putting on a show, there's a reason. 

There are opinion segments on Fox just like there are on CNN also ABC, NBC etc. can you not tell the difference between those and the scheduled hard news segments usually at 5/6pm?  I don't know what you'd call something like MSNBC.

Edited December 28, 2023 by ionel

[ThreePointTakedown]

43 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

That was pretty well said. Curious about your personal thoughts on CNN and MSNBC? I noticed they were not mentioned specifically.

They all fall under that category to some degree. Some more than others. CNN and MSNBC in my experience have motivation to be correct more so then the ones I did list. They make mistakes and work to correct them. By and large they are news gathering organizations that trade on their credibility. They question all parties. Try to hold all them accountable. FOX does not. Their motivation is to promote or to take down anyone that will help them make money. They all but say that in court filings that you can search for and read.

Does leaving some names off a list effect the point? 

[ThreePointTakedown]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

There are opinion segments on Fox just like there are on CNN also ABC, NBC etc. can you not tell the difference between those and there scheduled hard news segments usually at 5/6pm?  I don't know what you'd call something like MSNBC.

Yes and fair question. But they need to answer for and be held accountable to the opinions they allow on their air. That they are and have been comfortable allowing such rhetoric is a testament to their motivations. 

Apparently people that watch are less concerned with the motivation of the company and more concerned with how it makes them feel.  They enjoy the toxic product that fox provides. Is that a good thing? 

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Yes and fair question. But they need to answer for and be held accountable to the opinions they allow on their air. That they are and have been comfortable allowing such rhetoric is a testament to their motivations. 

Apparently people that watch are less concerned with the motivation of the company and more concerned with how it makes them feel.  They enjoy the toxic product that fox provides. Is that a good thing? 

And same as true for CNN, NBC, ABC.  I don't think there is any hope of accountability with MSNBC.  

[Ohio Elite]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

They all fall under that category to some degree.  CNN and MSNBC in my experience have motivation to be correct more so then the ones I did list. They make mistakes and work to correct them. By and large they are news gathering organizations that trade on their credibility. 

Thanks for answering. Aren't they still trying to regain credibility after the 2 year Trump Russia hoax they pushed down our throats?  All cable news is propaganda at this point. I refuse to watch any of them.

[ThreePointTakedown]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

And same as true for CNN, NBC, ABC.  I don't think there is any hope of accountability with MSNBC.  

With regards to what in particular? Any stories or criticisms that were unfounded or wrong?

Being critical is not the same as being bias. Can you offer some instances? 

[Plasmodium]

47 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

Thanks for answering. Aren't they still trying to regain credibility after the 2 year Trump Russia hoax they pushed down our throats?  All cable news is propaganda at this point. I refuse to watch any of them.

Hoax?

[Ohio Elite]

15 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Hoax?

Yes, proven to be false. Aka Hoax

[VakAttack]

22 hours ago, Ohio Elite said:

I hope @VakAttack spell checks he's legal paper work better than the Title of this thread LOL!!

 

Just kiddin I miss Pell shit all the time, and of course I don't realize it until after the time to edit has expired...

 

 

It's been happening to me way more lately than ever in my life.  In a related story, I have three kids.