CKLV Preseeds

[Pinnacle]

Shapiro is going to win this bracket IMO. I think he is the best wrestler in the bracket so Ima picking him. 

Andonian and Robb are good, but Meyer is better. 

[Dark Energy]

Damn - Shapiro hype is huge.  I’m still not a believer.  Hoping to become one.  Guess I just haven’t seen him enough to get on this train.

[creek chub]

1 hour ago, Pinnacle said:

Shapiro is going to win this bracket IMO. I think he is the best wrestler in the bracket so Ima picking him. 

Andonian and Robb are good, but Meyer is better. 

I’m a vt fan but appreciate watching a talented wrestler. I look forward to seeing him scrap

[juniorvarsity]

I am very excited to watch Ohio State. The pre seeds provide a lot of exciting potential matchups. Whoever your team is, you probably feel this way.

McCrone - good draw - Volk and Smith - and get to see how to weigh the VT win

Mendez - possible matches against both Hardy and McNeil

Paddy - Chumbley split matches with each other last year, excited to see how much he has improved. possible quarters with Teemer/Andionian/Shapiro 

Hoffman down at 184. Quarters against Foca. 

Geog vs Sloan in quarters

Feldman vs Hendrickson in quarters

[FanOfPurdueWrestling]

12 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

I am very excited to watch Ohio State. The pre seeds provide a lot of exciting potential matchups. Whoever your team is, you probably feel this way.

McCrone - good draw - Volk and Smith - and get to see how to weigh the VT win

Mendez - possible matches against both Hardy and McNeil

Paddy - Chumbley split matches with each other last year, excited to see how much he has improved. possible quarters with Teemer/Andionian/Shapiro 

Hoffman down at 184. Quarters against Foca. 

Geog vs Sloan in quarters

Feldman vs Hendrickson in quarters

According to Flo Wyatt is out as is Shultz. I was excited to see how Lucas Davison stacked up to those guys, but they are not making the trip.

[BigRedFan]

3 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

Damn - Shapiro hype is huge.  I’m still not a believer.  Hoping to become one.  Guess I just haven’t seen him enough to get on this train.

Yes, I know freestyle is not folkstyle.  Daniel Cardenas (Stanford) lost to Peyton Robb 6-4 and Ed Scott 6-4 in SV at last year's NCAAs.  Shapiro beat Cardenas 11-0 at the US Open in April last year.

A lot of pressure on Shapiro, to be sure.  He really, really doesn't like to lose (not that I've seen him lose in like the last three years!).

 

Just sayin'.

Edited November 30, 2023 by BigRedFan

[bnwtwg]

12 hours ago, FanOfPurdueWrestling said:

According to Flo Wyatt is out as is Shultz. I was excited to see how Lucas Davison stacked up to those guys, but they are not making the trip.

Did anyone think Schultz would show up after what happened last year? Zeke is going to protect him to a top 2 seed (either Kerk or illuminati Gable will do undefeated at B1Gs for the #1).

If Hendrickson is as banged up as we think, Davison was likely going to not only ruin the rest of his season but there would be concern for career-altering further damage because he has a real mean streak on the mat and is a legitimate finalist contender this year even if no one is injured and needs to be respected as such. That's not to say he is a dirty wrestler because he isn't, but if you step on the mat then everything is fair game at this level and he will beat you up.

I for one hope Davison meets up with the no-necked Pillsbury Throwboy at NCAA semis and runs through him with horsepower doubles from hell because I'm petty like that. (obligatory I hope he wins a greco medal and breaks the drought)

[nhs67]

285 Pre-Seeds have changed - Captain Jr (Hendrickson) of Air Force is out.

1 - Lucas Davison, Michigan
2 - Yonger Bastida, Iowa State
3 - Tyrell Gordon, Northern Iowa
4 - Grady Griess, Navy
5 - Owen Trephan, NC State
6 - Taye Ghadiali, Campbell
7 - Konner Doucet, Oklahoma State
8 - Nick Feldman, Ohio State
9 - Hunter Catka, Virginia Tech
10 - Seth Nevills, Maryland
11 - Keaton Kluever, Hofstra
12 - Lewis Fernandes, Cornell
13 - Boone McDermott, Oregon State
14 - Cory Day, Binghamton
15 - Hayden Copass, Purdue
16 - David Szuba, Rider

Now I don't think seeds hold, but from R16 on, this is what it might look like (using Wrestlestat)...

 

Round of 16
( 1 ) Lucas Davison, Michigan - WIN via DEC 10-3
( 16 ) David Szuba, Rider

( 9 ) Hunter Catka, Virginia Tech
( 8 ) Nick Feldman, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 5-2
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( 5 ) Owen Trephan, NC State - WIN via DEC 9-3
( 12 ) Lewis Fernandes, Cornell

( 13 ) Boone McDermott, Oregon State
( 4 ) Grady Griess, Navy - WIN via DEC 5-4
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( 3 ) Tyrell Gordon, Northern Iowa
( 14 ) Cory Day, Binghamton - WIN via DEC 5-4

( 11 ) Keaton Kluever, Hofstra
( 6 ) Taye Ghadiali, Campbell - WIN via DEC 8-4
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( 7 ) Konner Doucet, Oklahoma State
( 10 ) Seth Nevills, Maryland - WIN via DEC 6-4

( 15 ) Hayden Copass, Purdue
( 2 ) Yonger Bastida, Iowa State - WIN via MAJ 12-4

 

Quarterfinals
( 1 ) Lucas Davison, Michigan
( 8 ) Nick Feldman, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 7-4
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( 5 ) Owen Trephan, NC State - WIN via DEC 7-3
( 4 ) Grady Griess, Navy
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( 14 ) Cory Day, Binghamton
( 6 ) Taye Ghadiali, Campbell - WIN via DEC 7-4
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( 10 ) Seth Nevills, Maryland
( 2 ) Yonger Bastida, Iowa State - WIN via DEC 11-5

 

Semifinals
( 8 ) Nick Feldman, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 6-2
( 5 ) Owen Trephan, NC State
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( 6 ) Taye Ghadiali, Campbell
( 2 ) Yonger Bastida, Iowa State - WIN via DEC 6-4

 

Finals
( 8 ) Nick Feldman, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 6-4
( 2 ) Yonger Bastida, Iowa State

[nhs67]

197 Pre-Seeds

( 1 ) Tanner Sloan, South Dakota State
( 2 ) Trent Hidlay, NC State
( 3 ) Jacob Cardenas, Cornell
( 4 ) Luke Surber, Oklahoma State
( 5 ) Jaxon Smith, Maryland
( 6 ) Silas Allred, Nebraska
( 7 ) Nick Stemmet, Stanford
( 8 ) Luke Geog, Ohio State
( 9 ) Max Shaw, North Carolina
( 10 ) Evan Bockman, Utah Valley
( 11 ) Evan Bates, Northwestern
( 12 ) Wyatt Voelker, Northern Iowa
( 13 ) Julien Broderson, Iowa State
( 14 ) Levi Hopkins, Campbell
( 15 ) Carson Floyd, Appalachian State
( 16 ) Bobby Striggow, Michigan
( 17 ) Jack Wehmeyer, Columbia

Now I don't think seeds hold, but from R16 (+1) on, this is what it might look like (using Wrestlestat)...

 

Preliminary
( 16 ) Bobby Striggow, Michigan
( 17 ) Jack Wehmeyer, Columbia - WIN via DEC 7-3

 

Round of 16
( 1 ) Tanner Sloan, South Dakota State - WIN via TECH 19-1
( 17 ) Jack Wehmeyer, Columbia

( 9 ) Max Shaw, North Carolina
( 8 ) Luke Geog, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 6-5
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( 5 ) Jaxon Smith, Maryland - WIN via DEC 6-5
( 12 ) Wyatt Voelker, Northern Iowa

( 13 ) Julien Broderson, Iowa State
( 4 ) Luke Surber, Oklahoma State - WIN via DEC 10-4
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( 3 ) Jacob Cardenas, Cornell - WIN via DEC 7-4
( 14 ) Levi Hopkins, Campbell

( 11 ) Evan Bates, Northwestern
( 6 ) Silas Allred, Nebraska - WIN via DEC 10-5
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( 7 ) Nick Stemmet, Stanford
( 10 ) Evan Bockman, Utah Valley - WIN via DEC 8-7

( 15 ) Carson Floyd, Appalachian State
( 2 ) Trent Hidlay, NC State - WIN via MAJ 13-3

 

Quarterfinals
( 1 ) Tanner Sloan, South Dakota State - WIN via DEC 7-4
( 8 ) Luke Geog, Ohio State
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( 5 ) Jaxon Smith, Maryland - WIN via DEC 9-5
( 4 ) Luke Surber, Oklahoma State
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( 3 ) Jacob Cardenas, Cornell
( 6 ) Silas Allred, Nebraska - WIN via DEC 6-4
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( 10 ) Evan Bockman, Utah Valley
( 2 ) Trent Hidlay, NC State - WIN via MAJ 12-3

 

Semifinals
( 1 ) Tanner Sloan, South Dakota State - WIN via DEC 7-6
( 5 ) Jaxon Smith, Maryland
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( 6 ) Silas Allred, Nebraska - WIN via DEC 5-4
( 2 ) Trent Hidlay, NC State

 

Finals
( 1 ) Tanner Sloan, South Dakota State - WIN via DEC 6-5
( 6 ) Silas Allred, Nebraska

[bnwtwg]

28 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

( 6 ) Silas Allred, Nebraska - WIN via DEC 5-4
( 2 ) Trent Hidlay, NC Stat

I could see this and would not be surprised in the slightest if Allred puts him on his head at some point. Matchups make matches and the Hidlay underhook could lead to some test flights. Allred gets the luxury of 99.9% of the match played on the edge so he has nothing to lose if he opens up.

[nhs67]

I was going to do more, but Flo is down now.

[MPhillips]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Finals
( 8 ) Nick Feldman, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 6-4
( 2 ) Yonger Bastida, Iowa State

[Gus]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

I could see this and would not be surprised in the slightest if Allred puts him on his head at some point. Matchups make matches and the Hidlay underhook could lead to some test flights. Allred gets the luxury of 99.9% of the match played on the edge so he has nothing to lose if he opens up.

Idk. I just watched Hidlay win the Bill Ferrell beating a world silver medalist in the process

[Dogbone]

I haven't seen Allred throw much.  He has a good leg attacks and finishes but I don't see him tossing Hidlay.    Most of his pins have come from top position, if I recall.

Give me Hilday to win the whole tournament.

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, Gus said:

Idk. I just watched Hidlay win the Bill Ferrell beating a world silver medalist in the process

The same paper tiger Hidlay who only got *4th last year and 5th in '22 at NCAAs last year and drops matches every year?

Edited November 30, 2023 by bnwtwg
mixed up place/years

[poorwrestler]

I’m going to call out a bold prediction and say Troy Spratley from Oklahoma State wins this tournament at 125. This will be his coming out party as a title contender.


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[Corby]

2 minutes ago, poorwrestler said:

I’m going to call out a bold prediction and say Troy Spratley from Oklahoma State wins this tournament at 125. This will be his coming out party as a title contender.


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I was just looking at his results from last year and noticed he went OT with Deugustino last year. Him making the finals wouldn't shock me at all

[nhs67]

184 Pre-Seeds

( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State
( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State
( 5 ) Lenny Pinto, Nebraska
( 6 ) Gavin Hoffman, Ohio State
( 7 ) Will Feldkamp, Iowa State
( 8 ) Gavin Kane, North Carolina
( 9 ) Troy Fisher, Northwestern
( 10 ) David Key, Navy
( 11 ) Sam Fisher, Virginia Tech
( 12 ) Dylan Fishback, NC State
( 13 ) Jacob Nolan, Binghamton
( 14 ) Caleb Hopkins, Campbell
( 15 ) Sam Wolf, Air Force
( 16 ) Tony Negron, Arizona State
( 17 ) Zayne Lehman, Ohio
( 18 ) Jacob Armstrong, Utah Valley

Now I don't think seeds hold, but from R16 (+2) on, this is what it might look like (using Wrestlestat)...

Preliminary
( 16 ) Tony Negron, Arizona State
( 17 ) Zayne Lehman, Ohio - WIN via DEC 8-5

( 15 ) Sam Wolf, Air Force - WIN via DEC 7-5
( 18 ) Jacob Armstrong, Utah Valley

Round of 16
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via MAJ 12-4
( 17 ) Zayne Lehman, Ohio

( 9 ) Troy Fisher, Northwestern
( 8 ) Gavin Kane, North Carolina - WIN via DEC 7-5
----------
( 5 ) Lenny Pinto, Nebraska - WIN via MAJ 14-6
( 12 ) Dylan Fishback, NC State

( 13 ) Jacob Nolan, Binghamton
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State - WIN via DEC 10-4
-----
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( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell - WIN via MAJ 12-4
( 14 ) Caleb Hopkins, Campbell

( 11 ) Sam Fisher, Virginia Tech
( 6 ) Gavin Hoffman, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 6-4
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( 7 ) Will Feldkamp, Iowa State
( 10 ) David Key, Navy - WIN via DEC 11-7

( 15 ) Sam Wolf, Air Force
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State - WIN via DEC 8-4

Quarterfinals
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via MAJ 11-3
( 8 ) Gavin Kane, North Carolina
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( 5 ) Lenny Pinto, Nebraska
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State - WIN via DEC 8-7
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( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell - WIN via DEC 11-4
( 6 ) Gavin Hoffman, Ohio State
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( 10 ) David Key, Navy
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State - WIN via DEC 6-5

Semifinals
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via DEC 7-4
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State
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( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell - WIN via DEC 7-6
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State

Finals
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via DEC 7-4
( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell

[Gus]

26 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

The same paper tiger Hidlay who only got *4th last year and 5th in '22 at NCAAs last year and drops matches every year?

Yes, the guy who is 2/4/5 is 3 NCAA attempts. The guy who majored Michael Beard and has a 100% bonus rate on the year. Hilday is a very physical wrestler, hardly a "paper tiger". 

[Gus]

2 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

184 Pre-Seeds

( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State
( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State
( 5 ) Lenny Pinto, Nebraska
( 6 ) Gavin Hoffman, Ohio State
( 7 ) Will Feldkamp, Iowa State
( 8 ) Gavin Kane, North Carolina
( 9 ) Troy Fisher, Northwestern
( 10 ) David Key, Navy
( 11 ) Sam Fisher, Virginia Tech
( 12 ) Dylan Fishback, NC State
( 13 ) Jacob Nolan, Binghamton
( 14 ) Caleb Hopkins, Campbell
( 15 ) Sam Wolf, Air Force
( 16 ) Tony Negron, Arizona State
( 17 ) Zayne Lehman, Ohio
( 18 ) Jacob Armstrong, Utah Valley

Now I don't think seeds hold, but from R16 (+2) on, this is what it might look like (using Wrestlestat)...

Preliminary
( 16 ) Tony Negron, Arizona State
( 17 ) Zayne Lehman, Ohio - WIN via DEC 8-5

( 15 ) Sam Wolf, Air Force - WIN via DEC 7-5
( 18 ) Jacob Armstrong, Utah Valley

Round of 16
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via MAJ 12-4
( 17 ) Zayne Lehman, Ohio

( 9 ) Troy Fisher, Northwestern
( 8 ) Gavin Kane, North Carolina - WIN via DEC 7-5
----------
( 5 ) Lenny Pinto, Nebraska - WIN via MAJ 14-6
( 12 ) Dylan Fishback, NC State

( 13 ) Jacob Nolan, Binghamton
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State - WIN via DEC 10-4
-----
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( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell - WIN via MAJ 12-4
( 14 ) Caleb Hopkins, Campbell

( 11 ) Sam Fisher, Virginia Tech
( 6 ) Gavin Hoffman, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 6-4
----------
( 7 ) Will Feldkamp, Iowa State
( 10 ) David Key, Navy - WIN via DEC 11-7

( 15 ) Sam Wolf, Air Force
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State - WIN via DEC 8-4

Quarterfinals
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via MAJ 11-3
( 8 ) Gavin Kane, North Carolina
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( 5 ) Lenny Pinto, Nebraska
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State - WIN via DEC 8-7
-----
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( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell - WIN via DEC 11-4
( 6 ) Gavin Hoffman, Ohio State
----------
( 10 ) David Key, Navy
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State - WIN via DEC 6-5

Semifinals
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via DEC 7-4
( 4 ) Dustin Plott, Oklahoma State
-----
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( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell - WIN via DEC 7-6
( 2 ) Trey Munoz, Oregon State

Finals
( 1 ) Parker Keckeisen, Northern Iowa - WIN via DEC 7-4
( 3 ) Chris Foca, Cornell

I was off on the Pinto/Hoffman/Feldkamp order for seeding. This will be a fun weight class to watch. I am interested to see Foca up at his new weight.

[bnwtwg]

4 minutes ago, Gus said:

Yes, the guy who is 2/4/5 is 3 NCAA attempts. The guy who majored Michael Beard and has a 100% bonus rate on the year. Hilday is a very physical wrestler, hardly a "paper tiger". 

Yep sounds like the same guy. All I said was Allred winning would hardly surprise me. How many times does Allred have to be the underdog before people put some respeck on his name?

[nhs67]

174 Pre-Seeds

( 1 ) Shane Griffith, Michigan
( 2 ) Carson Kharchla, Ohio State
( 3 ) Cade DeVos, South Dakota State
( 4 ) Travis Wittlake, Oregon State
( 5 ) Adam Kemp, Cal Poly
( 6 ) MJ Gaitan, Iowa State
( 7 ) Austin Murphy, Campbell
( 8 ) Alex Faison, NC State
( 9 ) Lenox Wolak, Columbia
( 10 ) Lance Runyon, Northern Iowa
( 11 ) Danny Wask, Navy
( 12 ) Brody Baumann, Purdue

Now I don't think seeds hold, but from R16 (+2) on, this is what it might look like (using Wrestlestat)...

Round of 16
( 1 ) Shane Griffith, Michigan - WIN via DUH
( B ) < NOT REALLY A BYE >

( 9 ) Lenox Wolak, Columbia - WIN via DEC 7-6
( 8 ) Alex Faison, NC State
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( 5 ) Adam Kemp, Cal Poly
( 12 ) Brody Baumann, Purdue - WIN via DEC 7-5

( B ) < NOT REALLY A BYE >
( 4 ) Travis Wittlake, Oregon State - WIN via DUH
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( 3 ) Cade DeVos, South Dakota State - WIN via DUH
( B ) < NOT REALLY A BYE >

( 11 ) Danny Wask, Navy
( 6 ) MJ Gaitan, Iowa State - WIN via DEC 7-5
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( 7 ) Austin Murphy, Campbell
( 10 ) Lance Runyon, Northern Iowa - WIN via DEC 7-5

( B ) < NOT REALLY A BYE >
( 2 ) Carson Kharchla, Ohio State - WIN via DUH

Quarterfinals
( 1 ) Shane Griffith, Michigan - WIN via MAJ 10-2
( 9 ) Lenox Wolak, Columbia
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( 12 ) Brody Baumann, Purdue
( 4 ) Travis Wittlake - WIN via DEC 9-4
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( 3 ) Cade DeVos, South Dakota State - WIN via DEC 7-3
( 6 ) MJ Gaitan, Iowa State
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( 10 ) Lance Runyon, Northern Iowa
( 2 ) Carson Kharchla, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 10-5

Semifinals
( 1 ) Shane Griffith, Michigan - WIN via DEC 7-2
( 4 ) Travis Wittlake
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( 3 ) Cade DeVos, South Dakota State
( 2 ) Carson Kharchla, Ohio State - WIN via DEC 6-5

Finals
( 1 ) Shane Griffith, Michigan - WIN via DEC 6-3
( 2 ) Carson Kharchla, Ohio State

[nhs67]

5 minutes ago, Gus said:

I was off on the Pinto/Hoffman/Feldkamp order for seeding. This will be a fun weight class to watch. I am interested to see Foca up at his new weight.

As was I.  I did not think Munoz would get seeded 2nd.

Feldkamp has since lost since you made your projection... I won't fault you for him losing.

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Yep sounds like the same guy. All I said was Allred winning would hardly surprise me. How many times does Allred have to be the underdog before people put some respeck on his name?

[Gus]

8 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Yep sounds like the same guy. All I said was Allred winning would hardly surprise me. How many times does Allred have to be the underdog before people put some respeck on his name?

Straw man argument. No one is saying that Allred sucks, just that Hidlay is more accomplished and likely to win a match against him. Allred has shown himself to be game beating Dean multiple times last year. Great double leg.