Cy-Hawk Thread

[Wrestleknownothing]

20 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

 

 

 

 

To be fair Gaitan did come close to turning him.  Gaitan getting a turn there probably a similar chance as another TD given the little time left

I think the issue is that Dresser thought Gaitan had the RT point, so they told him to finish the ride.

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I think the issue is that Dresser thought Gaitan had the RT point, so they told him to finish the ride.

Agreed. It is...

[jross]

In live wrestling and with between-period position selection, what is your opinion on the wrestler making their own decision versus following the coach's instruction?

Captain of your own ship or fall in line?

[1032004]

7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I think the issue is that Dresser thought Gaitan had the RT point, so they told him to finish the ride.

Good point, but maybe Gaitan knew the score?  If just listening to coaches why would he attempt a turn?

[jross]

3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I think the issue is that Dresser thought Gaitan had the RT point, so they told him to finish the ride.

I missed that... but I believe ya.

How is that mistake possible across the head coach, assistant coach, and Gaitan... considering how the match had gone... and the viewable time clock... and Dresser is paid $300K+ annually?  ...and Dresser not challenging so many situations...  
 

[CHROMEBIRD]

3 minutes ago, jross said:

In live wrestling and with between-period position selection, what is your opinion on the wrestler making their own decision versus following the coach's instruction?

Captain of your own ship or fall in line?

It depends. If you're an underclassman or haven't been watching tape (or the scoreboard and RT clock) and in a tight match, better to fall in line. If you're experienced and have a good feel for your opponent in-match, captain. Some coaches will also trust their wreslers to make the best choice. PSU seems to do this a lot.

[wrestle87]

1 minute ago, jross said:

and Dresser not challenging so many situations...  

This right here cost them the match.

[1032004]

1 minute ago, wrestle87 said:

This right here cost them the match.

I don’t think Echemendia had the TD.

End of Chittum was reviewed.

What other situation would’ve made a difference to challenge?

[FanOfPurdueWrestling]

14 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Good dual but must be tough to accept if you are a cyclone.

You couldn’t have asked for a better dual for ESPN. But the cyclones have to be down, this was their year…. 

[wrestle87]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think Echemendia had the TD.

End of Chittum was reviewed.

What other situation would’ve made a difference to challenge?

I think he may well have, but even if Echemendia didn’t, it was close enough that challenging would have given him a much needed breather and a much better chance in overtime.

[CHROMEBIRD]

Agree, tough loss for the University of Ames.

[Plasmodium]

8 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think Echemendia had the TD.

End of Chittum was reviewed.

What other situation would’ve made a difference to challenge?

Damn.   Why don't you hop on the bus and head back to Iowa City!!!

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, wrestle87 said:

given him a much needed breather

Ech wasn't gassed and it would have given them both a breather...

[1032004]

4 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

I think he may well have, but even if Echemendia didn’t, it was close enough that challenging would have given him a much needed breather and a much better chance in overtime.

Maybe. And I was surprised he didn’t challenge and probably would have if I was him.  Just don’t think it “lost them the dual”

[1032004]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Why did they stop it with 1 second?

Edit: nvm  I guess just bad clock work

Actually Brain seems upset about this one, and did point out that they did actually wrestle the last second…

[wrestle87]

4 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Ech wasn't gassed and it would have given them both a breather...

I’d like to know what you have to back this up other than just feeling like disagreeing.

Ech is a classic gasser, and had just run down a bear hug fir 30 seconds at the end if the match against the #1 guy.  After holding Woods’ offense at bay all match then getting run over.

JB called him out as looking very gassed on the broadcast just before overtime. Does JB also not know when someone is and isn’t gassed?

[wrestle87]

5 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Maybe. And I was surprised he didn’t challenge and probably would have if I was him.  Just don’t think it “lost them the dual”

That’s fair.  Nobody showing up at 84 and 97 lost them the match.  

[1032004]

Just now, wrestle87 said:

That’s fair.  Nobody showing up at 84 and 97 lost them the match.  

Ha.  Very true.  Can probably add 125

[Wrestleknownothing]

23 minutes ago, jross said:

I missed that... but I believe ya.

How is that mistake possible across the head coach, assistant coach, and Gaitan... considering how the match had gone... and the viewable time clock... and Dresser is paid $300K+ annually?  ...and Dresser not challenging so many situations...  
 

Happens in the NFL too. A lot of head coaches will hire someone whose sole responibility is clock management because in the moment it is too hard for the head coach. Of course, wrestling coaches are not calling plays, so there is that.

[jross]

What is the coach signaling with his hands three times and saying?

 

[jross]

21 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think Echemendia had the TD.

End of Chittum was reviewed.

What other situation would’ve made a difference to challenge?

At the time... does Carr get the tech?  

[Wrestleknownothing]

31 minutes ago, jross said:

In live wrestling and with between-period position selection, what is your opinion on the wrestler making their own decision versus following the coach's instruction?

Captain of your own ship or fall in line?

I have no issue with wrestlers making their own decisions, but if you have a coach yelling to hold him down your instinct will be to listen to the coach. You may be confused by the instruction, but you will probably follow it for at least 10 or 15 seconds before (if even) you realize they are wrong.

[jross]

25 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think Echemendia had the TD.

Would you care had the referee called a TD?  

• Art. 12. Reaction Time. The amount of time a wrestler is provided by the referee to react to individual scoring or wrestling situations. Reaction time is provided in all situations except for locked hands calls down on the mat. Reaction time is determined by each individual referee and is described only as a period that is not instantaneous https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/WR24.pdf

[MPhillips]

13 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

I’d like to know what you have to back this up 

 

I watched it...

[jross]

28 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Ech wasn't gassed and it would have given them both a breather...

IMO.  Both wrestlers were gassed, and Ech nearly exhausted his on that last move... looked make or break to me.  The match was over after the no-call.

They were not sputtering like PK but on fumes.

Edited November 26, 2023 by jross
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