Is the strength at 165 unprecedented or what?

[Jerry Callo]

Have there been other weights where there have been 3 NCAA champs like 165 this year?  It also is possible we could see all 3 in Chattanooga for the Southern Scuffle.   Pretty cool stuff!

Edited November 25, 2022 by Jerry Callo
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[nhs67]

@Wrestleknownothing?  I believe the question is directed at you, ya robart.

[nhs67]

Also, imagine if Lewis decided to take a serious run at 74 KG just after the season and made the drop to 165 as well.

[MNRodent]

2008, 149 weight class had about 6 NCAA finalists I believe.

Metcalf, Schlatter, Burroughs, Churella, Jenkins, Caldwell, Palmer, etc.

Edited November 25, 2022 by MNRodent

[Wrestleknownothing]

42 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

@Wrestleknownothing?  I believe the question is directed at you, ya robart.

1 hour ago, Jerry Callo said:

Have there been other weights where there have been 3 NCAA champs like 165 this year?  It also is possible we could see all 3 in Chattanooga for the Southern Scuffle.   Pretty cool stuff!

I have been thinking about this very thing. Sadly my data on champions is not str4uctured well to do this (it is somewhat summary level), but I will attempt a work around.

 

[Jerry Callo]

1 hour ago, MNRodent said:

2008, 149 weight class had about 6 NCAA finalists I believe.

Metcalf, Schlatter, Burroughs, Churella, Jenkins, Caldwell, Palmer, etc.

I could have this wrong but I believe that in 2008 Schlatter was the only champ up until that time, no?

[Crablegs]

5 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

I could have this wrong but I believe that in 2008 Schlatter was the only champ up until that time, no?

That is correct.  
 

2017 184 had Nickal, Martin, and Dean, but Nickal hadn’t one a title yet heading in. Similar with 2018 125 that had Cruz and NATO as previous champs.  Neither of them made the finals losing to future multiple time champs Suriano and Lee.  
 

Can’t think of a time there were 3 previous champs in the same NCAA bracket, but I’d think it has happened.

 

 

 

[aknipp]

2009 157, Burroughs (returning AA but 1st time finalist) Poeta. Returning finalist. Going for 3rd, former champs Leen and Gillespie.  DNP former 149 champ Schlatter. 

[Jerry Callo]

Close - but the Gophers had an AA at 157 in 2009 and it was not DS. They had no entry at 149 though.  So it looks like only Leen and Gregor Gillespie were defending champs at 157 in 2009.  

[aknipp]

1 hour ago, Jerry Callo said:

Close - but the Gophers had an AA at 157 in 2009 and it was not DS. They had no entry at 149 though.  So it looks like only Leen and Gregor Gillespie were defending champs at 157 in 2009.  

My bad. I could swear DS was in the tourney but hurt and didn't place. 

[Jerry Callo]

It’s all good.  Unusual circumstance for sure.  

[11986]

1982 177 bracket had Schultz, Banach, Reiss who all had titles prior to that year

Edited November 26, 2022 by 11986
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[Jerry Callo]

Good call!  It looks like Reiss (NC St) did not even place that year.  I guess once every 40 years is worthy of note, eh?

[H82Lose]

165 is DEEP, it will be a fun weight to watch for sure.  Personally I am pulling for O'Toole to win it, Carr being my second choice.  

[Idaho]

Like last year…Griffith 

[Antitroll2828]

20 hours ago, Crablegs said:

That is correct.  
 

2017 184 had Nickal, Martin, and Dean, but Nickal hadn’t one a title yet heading in. Similar with 2018 125 that had Cruz and NATO as previous champs.  Neither of them made the finals losing to future multiple time champs Suriano and Lee.  
 

Can’t think of a time there were 3 previous champs in the same NCAA bracket, but I’d think it has happened.

 

 

 

2018 184 had nickel , Martin , dean and foster 4 champs…only 2 had won at this point 

[Crablegs]

15 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

2018 184 had nickel , Martin , dean and foster 4 champs…only 2 had won at this point 

Good call.  Really makes you think the whole nostalgia over that 149 class is a bit overblown. There are a lot of weights that have 4-5 future champs/finalists in them.  Judging how tough a weight is by future placements is really pretty dumb. Why did everyone start thinking this was a good way to look at it?

[Antitroll2828]

8 hours ago, Crablegs said:

Good call.  Really makes you think the whole nostalgia over that 149 class is a bit overblown. There are a lot of weights that have 4-5 future champs/finalists in them.  Judging how tough a weight is by future placements is really pretty dumb. Why did everyone start thinking this was a good way to look at it?

Agreed definitely overblown…2016 141 had Heil, gross , Ashnault all champs , then add in McKenna 3rd twice and 2nd, ..Meredith 3x AA 2nd 2x ..Kevin jack 4x AA , Micah Jordan 3x AA and ncaa finalist, a few other multiple time AAs as well …you can say that’s tougher than that 149 bracket too

[MPhillips]

Tell us the year that the 149 was overblown.

[nhs67]

While I don't think comparing present accomplishments with career - in hindsight - isn't apples and oranges, it isn't what the OP was looking for.

2008 149 is definitely an all-timer.  We all know and agree to this.  It didn't have 2x JB, though.  That hadn't happened yet.

What weight classes had the most accomplishments congruently, nor cumulatively?  This year's 165 has to be right up there.

[MPhillips]

13 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

2008 149 is definitely an all-timer.

Compared to the future that we weren't aware of...it's overblown...

 

[nhs67]

13 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Compared to the future that we weren't aware of...it's overblown...

 

110% accurate.

[MPhillips]

14 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

110% accurate.

Of course it is brother. Unless a few of those gents above are NostraMFdamus.

Edited November 27, 2022 by MPhillips

[Fadzaev2]

On 11/25/2022 at 12:09 PM, MNRodent said:

2008, 149 weight class had about 6 NCAA finalists I believe.

Metcalf, Schlatter, Burroughs, Churella, Jenkins, Caldwell, Palmer, etc.

Thanks, you just saved me some trouble...(well, maybe not)....lol

JP O'connor  5/6/1

Jordan Burroughs  3/1/1

Josh Churella  7/4/2

Brent Metcalf  1/2/1

Darrion Caldwell 5/1

Dustin Schlatter  1/7/3

Lance Palmer  4/8/4/2

Bubba Jenkins  2/1

Ryan Lang 4/2

Jake Patacsil  5

8 NCAA Champions

13 NCAA Finalists

26 All-Americans

[nhs67]

35 minutes ago, Fadzaev2 said:

Thanks, you just saved me some trouble...(well, maybe not)....lol

JP O'connor  5/6/1

Jordan Burroughs  3/1/1

Josh Churella  7/4/2

Brent Metcalf  1/2/1

Darrion Caldwell 5/1

Dustin Schlatter  1/7/3

Lance Palmer  4/8/4/2

Bubba Jenkins  2/1

Ryan Lang 4/2

Jake Patacsil  5

8 NCAA Champions

13 NCAA Finalists

26 All-Americans

What had those gents won PRIOR to the 2008 tournament taking place, though?  JB hadn't even pulled a podium finish yet, had he?