Israel Attacked

[WrestlingRasta]

There’s also reports it was actually Hamas bombed the hospital. 
 

Who the hell knows, but there are two things we know for sure in this situation: one is taking the first report we see and embracing it as completely accurate is not a good game plan, and the other is that either side is capable of doing some things here that we have a hard time fathoming. 

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:15 PM, ionel said:

Where was the hospital?  Did it have tunnels under?

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You've lost the plot. Search for your lost humanity.

If you find yourself agreeing with "the solution to human shields is to kill the shields" find god and save yourself.

[Le duke]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:07 PM, uncle bernard said:

Israel just bombed Palestine's Baptist Hospital, the last remaining Christian hospital in Gaza. The death toll is at 900 and rising. A hospital. Don't look away @Bigbrog. Look at the crimes against humanity that you cheer. Despicable.

@mspart @GreatWhiteNorth @Offthemat @Gus don't look away cowards

 

 

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:22 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

There’s also reports it was actually Hamas bombed the hospital. 
 

Who the hell knows, but there are two things we know for sure in this situation: one is taking the first report we see and embracing it as completely accurate is not a good game plan, and the other is that either side is capable of doing some things here that we have a hard time fathoming. 

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Israeli journalist who is currently serving in the military immediately posted a tweet celebrating the bombing before deleting it. Most reputable news sources are reporting it as an Israeli strike. The only site I've seen reporting a failed Hamas rocket is the one that started the "40 beheaded babies" lie and had to retract.

 

 

[ionel]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:23 PM, uncle bernard said:

You've lost the plot. Search for your lost humanity.

If you find yourself agreeing with "the solution to human shields is to kill the shields" find god and save yourself.

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Can't simply answer the questions?  Got it.

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:23 PM, Le duke said:

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

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Misfire is certainly possible. With a crime of this scale, both sides will blame the other and not back down. It might be a while before we know, if we ever do.

We need an immediate ceasefire.

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:33 PM, ionel said:

Can't simply answer the questions?  Got it.

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If Hamas was in the hospital or there were tunnels, would that make it okay to kill the civilians? 

[ionel]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:33 PM, uncle bernard said:

If Hamas was in the hospital or there were tunnels, would that make it okay to kill the civilians? 

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I asked you a question.  Didn't ask you for a question.

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:34 PM, ionel said:

I asked you a question.  Didn't ask you for a question.

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nobody knows if hamas was there or had tunnels

don't play dumb. the implication was pretty clear. now you answer my question.

[mspart]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:42 PM, uncle bernard said:

nobody knows if hamas was there or had tunnels

don't play dumb. the implication was pretty clear. now you answer my question.

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It is on record Hamas is below hospitals and in tunnels.   Where have you been?

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/underground-nightmare-hamas-tunnels-and-the-wicked-problem-facing-the-idf/

mspart

[ionel]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:42 PM, uncle bernard said:

nobody knows if hamas was there or had tunnels

don't play dumb. the implication was pretty clear. now you answer my question.

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Where was the hospital?  Still working on my Qs.  If its been reported they should know where its located.

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:46 PM, ionel said:

Where was the hospital?  Still working on my Qs.  If its been reported they should know where its located.

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are you serious? it's in Gaza City. it's a famous hospital.

you can look this stuff up yourself you know

Edited October 17, 2023 by uncle bernard

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:45 PM, mspart said:

It is on record Hamas is below hospitals and in tunnels.   Where have you been?

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/underground-nightmare-hamas-tunnels-and-the-wicked-problem-facing-the-idf/

mspart

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in general yes. under this specific location? i don't know and neither do you.

next question, say there are. would that make the bombing justified?

[WrestlingRasta]

Islamic Jihad being reported now as the perpetrators as well.

Again, doesn't mean that's accurate, just that......eeeeeasy. It's still early.

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:51 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

Islamic Jihad being reported now as the perpetrators as well.

Again, doesn't mean that's accurate, just that......eeeeeasy. It's still early.

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Only thing we can know for sure is that there needs to be a ceasefire. Hamas is calling for a ceasefire in exchange for releasing the hostages (whichever ones are still alive after the strikes). Israel is not interested (so far). The West needs to pull Netanyahu and Israel back. They've gone far past even retaliation. Enough.

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:55 PM, uncle bernard said:

Only thing we can know for sure is that there needs to be a ceasefire. Hamas is calling for a ceasefire in exchange for releasing the hostages (whichever ones are still alive after the strikes). Israel is not interested (so far). The West needs to pull Netanyahu and Israel back. They've gone far past even retaliation. Enough.

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I just read that (minus the Isreal is not interested part, did not read that)

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:57 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

I just read that (minus the Isreal is not interested part, did not read that)

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There have been ongoing negotiations through the Qatari government. The first offer was to release women and children hostages in exchange for 36 Palestinian women and children held by Israel.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-leads-talks-swap-hamas-held-hostages-palestinians-israeli-jails-2023-10-09/

 

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 10/17/2023 at 8:01 PM, uncle bernard said:

There have been ongoing negotiations through the Qatari government. The first offer was to release women and children hostages in exchange for 36 Palestinian women and children held by Israel.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-leads-talks-swap-hamas-held-hostages-palestinians-israeli-jails-2023-10-09/

 

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?? That's dated October 9.  I was referring to today's events.  "Stop firing and we will release all hostages"   Haven't seen anything about a response yet.

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 8:05 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

?? That's dated October 9.  I was referring to today's events.  "Stop firing and we will release all hostages"   Haven't seen anything about a response yet.

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I meant that Israel has not been interested in negotiating up to this point. Could have worded it clearer.

[mspart]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:55 PM, uncle bernard said:

Only thing we can know for sure is that there needs to be a ceasefire. Hamas is calling for a ceasefire in exchange for releasing the hostages (whichever ones are still alive after the strikes). Israel is not interested (so far). The West needs to pull Netanyahu and Israel back. They've gone far past even retaliation. Enough.

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Perhaps Hamas should have thought of that before they executed innocent people in the kibutzes.  

mspart

[ionel]

  On 10/17/2023 at 7:48 PM, uncle bernard said:

are you serious? it's in Gaza City. it's a famous hospital.

you can look this stuff up yourself you know

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I'm busy, thought your sources would have it.

[uncle bernard]

 

To add to this, there's a reason Hamas/PIJ rockets have killed almost nobody over the last 20 years. They're made out of recycled pipes and construction materials. Misfire? Totally reasonable and they do happen. Bring down a large hospital with one errant rocket? That's a stretch. It would be the most destructive Hamas rocket of all time

Now add that Israel has been complaining in the media that doctors won't evacuate hospitals they want to strike. 

 

 

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 8:13 PM, ionel said:

I'm busy, thought your sources would have it.

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They all did? You're acting like this was a rumor or something? It's on every network and site.

[ionel]

Doesn't say where in Gaza.

[uncle bernard]

  On 10/17/2023 at 8:13 PM, uncle bernard said:

 

To add to this, there's a reason Hamas/PIJ rockets have killed almost nobody over the last 20 years. They're made out of recycled pipes and construction materials. Misfire? Totally reasonable and they do happen. Bring down a large hospital with one errant rocket? That's a stretch. It would be the most destructive Hamas rocket of all time

Now add that Israel has been complaining in the media that doctors won't evacuate hospitals they want to strike. 

 

 

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Official Israeli accounts are now deleting the video above. Doesn't necessarily mean it was them, but it looks more likely at this point.