Israel Attacked

[GreatWhiteNorth]

7 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

“the only way this ends mildly stable is if Israel takes over the entire strip and the Palestinians transation to other muslim nations”

this is, by definition, ethnic cleansing. 

Except it's not. Read carefully and with your bias in your pocket.

Willie uses the modifier "mildly stable" - he's not saying there is "only way." He also mentions Palestinians transitioning to other muslim nations - at no point did he mention anything about "forcible removal." That part was all you.

You seem to be injecting your own little dialog parts to change what was originally posted.

That's bad form - it's the kind of thing weasels do. Don't be a weasel.

[uncle bernard]

5 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Except it's not. Read carefully and with your bias in your pocket.

Willie uses the modifier "mildly stable" - he's not saying there is "only way." He also mentions Palestinians transitioning to other muslim nations - at no point did he mention anything about "forcible removal." That part was all you.

You seem to be injecting your own little dialog parts to change what was originally posted.

That's bad form - it's the kind of thing weasels do. Don't be a weasel.

you are genuinely unbelievable.

the only one with a bias here is the guy going “actually when he said the only way this works is if all the Palestinians leave, he meant on their own accord with no threat or coercion from the government who’s currently bombing them.”

also you left out “Israel takes over the entire strip” kind of the key part. i’m sure you forgot to include that on accident

go back to trying to figure out the difference between data for progress and progress.org

Edited October 30, 2023 by uncle bernard

[Offthemat]

5 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Except it's not. Read carefully and with your bias in your pocket.

Willie uses the modifier "mildly stable" - he's not saying there is "only way." He also mentions Palestinians transitioning to other muslim nations - at no point did he mention anything about "forcible removal." That part was all you.

You seem to be injecting your own little dialog parts to change what was originally posted.

That's bad form - it's the kind of thing weasels do. Don't be a weasel.

By the same logic,  he says it’s Israel’s fault when human shields get hurt.  He’s aHamas apologist/sympathizer.  Everyone knows that even western media have to lie in order to report from Muslim terrorist territories.  Yet, he brings it here.  

[GreatWhiteNorth]

7 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

you are genuinely unbelievable.

the only one with a bias here is the guy going “actually when he said the only way this works is if all the Palestinians leave, he meant on their own accord with no threat or coercion from the government who’s currently bombing them.”

also you left out “Israel takes over the entire strip” kind of the key part. i’m sure you forgot to include that on accident

go back to trying to figure out the difference between data for progress and progress.org

More twisted BS from you. If you want to talk about what was left out...

The biggest thing that was left out here was the atrocities that Hamas committed on 10/7. The very reason all of this is happening right now.

Don't try to disconnect the two - they are forever connected.

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

More twisted BS from you. If you want to talk about what was left out...

The biggest thing that was left out here was the atrocities that Hamas committed on 10/7. The very reason all of this is happening right now.

Don't try to disconnect the two - they are forever connected.

That’s fine. It doesn’t change the fact willie advocated for ethnic cleansing. you can weasel all you want. it’s what he said. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

22 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

What are you talking about? That is the literal definition of ethnic cleansing. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing

“Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal, extermination, deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.”

Listen dumpster fire, we all know how to use google and wikipedia.

You are obviously not a legitimate, informed, intelligent, responsible poster. 

You have made it clear you are a pro-terrorism wacko. We get it, you're an awful human being.

Do us all a favor and give it a rest.

[uncle bernard]

Just now, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Listen dumpster fire, we all know how to use google and wikipedia.

You are obviously not a legitimate, informed, intelligent, responsible poster. 

You have made it clear you are a pro-terrorism wacko. We get it, you're an awful human being.

Do us all a favor and give it a rest.

and you fantasize about lifeless Palestinian children. you smile every night knowing that a Palestinian child is suffocating under the rubble. see we can both make up lies about the other. 

if you knew how to google, you’d know that “israel taking over the strip and palestinians moving to other arab countries” is as clear cut an example of ethnic cleansing as you get. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

5 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

and you fantasize about lifeless Palestinian children. you smile every night knowing that a Palestinian child is suffocating under the rubble. see we can both make up lies about the other. 

if you knew how to google, you’d know that “israel taking over the strip and palestinians moving to other arab countries” is as clear cut an example of ethnic cleansing as you get. 

Don't be a puke.

Watch video from 10/7 and realize that killing men, women, teen and children civilians is awful and despicable. And realize they aren't lies.

Get over the part about "ethnic cleansing" - Israel isn't forcing any Palestinians to leave Gaza. They are just dealing with Hamas in the only way they be dealt with.

If you still have a problem with Willie and his perspective - take it up with him. I'm not defending him, and he's more than capable of defending himself. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

At the end of the day:

Hamas is in the business of ethnic cleansing - their goal is to destroy all Israelis. Hamas are modern-day Nazi bastards.

Israel is only targeting Hamas in self-defense, not Palestinian civilians. They have no intention of ethnic cleansing. Only seeking to keep themselves safe.

[WrestlingRasta]

This thread is an absolute train wreck. 

Here’s a challenge. Set set it down for a week. Twitter, FB, and whatever accounts we get our ‘news’ from. Set it down for a week and see how we feel. In reality we’re not gonna miss much. 
 

Who’s in?  I’ll start. See ya Sunday. 

[Offthemat]

3 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

This thread is an absolute train wreck. 

Here’s a challenge. Set set it down for a week. Twitter, FB, and whatever accounts we get our ‘news’ from. Set it down for a week and see how we feel. In reality we’re not gonna miss much. 
 

Who’s in?  I’ll start. See ya Sunday. 

There’s a war going on.  Skip it if you can. 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Offthemat said:

There’s a war going on.  Skip it if you can. 

yeah @WrestlingRasta 

there are dead children and war crimes to justify. @Offthemat can’t just take a week off. 

[Offthemat]

9 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

yeah @WrestlingRasta 

there are dead children and war crimes to justify. @Offthemat can’t just take a week off. 

When Hamas fires its rockets, who are they aimed at?

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Offthemat said:

When Hamas fires its rockets, who are they aimed at?

Israeli’s. the difference between us is that i condemn hamas when they do it and you don’t condemn Israel when they do it and kill 20x as many people. two wrongs don’t make a right. 

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Israeli’s. the difference between us is that i condemn hamas when they do it and you don’t condemn Israel when they do it and kill 20x as many people. two wrongs don’t make a right. 

I wouldn’t condone targeting innocent civilians, keywords innocent and civilians.  But Hamas rarely dresses, stands, and fights as a military force.  In fact, they use human shields.  About a quarter of their rockets land on Palestinian territory.  They consider it honorable to lie.  If they weren’t so exclusively focused on annihilating Jews, they wouldn’t have many problems. 

[uncle bernard]

4 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I wouldn’t condone targeting innocent civilians, keywords innocent and civilians.  But Hamas rarely dresses, stands, and fights as a military force.  In fact, they use human shields.  About a quarter of their rockets land on Palestinian territory.  They consider it honorable to lie.  If they weren’t so exclusively focused on annihilating Jews, they wouldn’t have many problems. 

human shields don’t justify killing civilians. israel chooses to indiscriminately bomb civilian housing knowing the vast majority of casualties will be civilians, half of which are children. as you all point out, hamas is in the tunnels. 

israel can say it doesn’t target civilians all it wants. actions speak louder than words. 

[uncle bernard]

8 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I wouldn’t condone targeting innocent civilians, keywords innocent and civilians.  But Hamas rarely dresses, stands, and fights as a military force.  In fact, they use human shields.  About a quarter of their rockets land on Palestinian territory.  They consider it honorable to lie.  If they weren’t so exclusively focused on annihilating Jews, they wouldn’t have many problems. 

if a gunman was holding your child hostage as a human shield, would you be okay with police shooting them both?

[Bigbrog]

Can't believe people continue to argue with a terrorist sympathizer....

[uncle bernard]

5 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Can't believe people continue to argue with a terrorist sympathizer....

how many times are you going to keep saying that lie?

[Bigbrog]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

how many times are you going to keep saying that lie?

Oh I am not the one saying it...

[jross]

38 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

if a gunman was holding your child hostage as a human shield, would you be okay with police shooting them both?

If a gunman was holding your entire bloodline of 20 children/grandchildren as a human shield, would you be okay with the police killing them all to also take out the gunman?

Whether it is 1 or 20 children, who is the gunman, and how many more will die if the gunman lives another day?

[Plasmodium]

I like reading @uncle bernard's perspective.  Most everybody else is just toeing the MAGA line.  He is not a terrorist sympathizer by my understanding, more like a Palestinian empathizer.

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Plasmodium said:

I like reading @uncle bernard's perspective.  Most everybody else is just toeing the MAGA line.  He is not a terrorist sympathizer by my understanding, more like a Palestinian empathizer.

So Biden is now MAGA?  

[Plasmodium]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

So Biden is now MAGA?  

I didn't say that.  Do you think he is?

[ionel]

Just now, Plasmodium said:

I didn't say that.  Do you think he is?

 

7 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

I like reading @uncle bernard's perspective.  Most everybody else is just toeing the MAGA line.  He is not a terrorist sympathizer by my understanding, more like a Palestinian empathizer.

^^^ Plus don't think uncle Joe believes in the uncle Benard line.