Twitter is better

[MPhillips]

On 11/24/2022 at 12:55 AM, Husker_Du said:

imo half this 'disinformation' debate could be solved if everyone took a little accountability and figured things out for themselves instead of blaming....something/everything

Stop it. Dummies don't look for facts. They willingly believe what is written which is why folks willingly write, 'disinformation.'

[BobDole]

It is easy to share disinformation without any research with a simply share/retweet on social media without even reading the article or any due diligence if it "supports" your line of thinking. Remember last year when a news person on Facebook put they "Support mandatory VACATIONS?" People commenting were going off the rails because they are idiots and are easily triggered by anything against their beliefs.

At what point should disinformation result in deletion of content or banning of the offender?

If someone comes on here and says a prominent person in the wrestling community is a part of some highly illegal activity without any proof, should it be taken down? What if that person is one of the InterMat people? 

With social media and even a smaller version like a messageboard comes responsibility to curb disinformation or else we have the "if true" people that comment on anything that doesn't fit their beliefs or narrative.

 

[Husker_Du]

now do things that turned out to be true that weren't know to be true at the time and taken down.

you know how many doctors were banned from twitter for posting (even with empirical analysis) 'disinformation' regarding covid?

what about the hunter laptop story? 

i agree that there are more obvious situations of posting ridiculousness, but where does it start/stop? 

[Mike Parrish]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

now do things that turned out to be true that weren't know to be true at the time and taken down.

you know how many doctors were banned from twitter for posting (even with empirical analysis) 'disinformation' regarding covid?

Ivermextin and hydroxychloroquine still have zero scientific evidence to support their use in COIVD treatment.
Should all of those posts have stayed up that promulgated dangerous medical advice?
 

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what about the hunter laptop story?

There is still nothing about this story that has been shown to be criminal.
Hunter Biden is a private citizen who is being hounded.
It should come down until such time as there is proof of criminality.
 

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i agree that there are more obvious situations of posting ridiculousness, but where does it start/stop? 

Probably with a professional Trust and Safety team that does this work professionally...

Further, Twitter and other social media companies are private corporations exercising control on their property.
You have no rights there beyond what they grant.

Don't like it, don't use it.
Kind of like ... here.

[Ban Basketball]

Hunter Biden's laptop has been in gubment hands since 2018, I believe. 

Seems a little odd that Deuce wouldn't have insisted that someone find something of substance on it when he was "in office."  Nothing. 

[Mike Parrish]

I've always suspected that "Hunter Biden's Laptop" was a an attempt at prophylaxis since the Trump kids (Don Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Jared) were all directly employed by the White House and they were into some pretty ugly stuff.

"If you go after my kids, I'll go after yours!" type of thing.

[Theo Brixton]

2 hours ago, Mike Parrish said:

Ivermextin and hydroxychloroquine still have zero scientific evidence to support their use in COIVD treatment.
Should all of those posts have stayed up that promulgated dangerous medical advice?
 

The censorship went far beyond ivermectin and hydroxychlorquine (and BTW, while ivermectin itself is has no real evidence of efficacy against covid, it is an essential medicine to co-administer with corticosteroids in regions with parasitic infections. Otherwise patients with latent parasitic infections can suffer potentially fatal flareups--it's not just "horse dewormer".). 

Many of the issues with disinformation on social media regarding covid were government-sponsored. These include covid origins, efficacy of surgical masks in preventing spread, risk of myocarditis in young men taking the vaccine, vaccines prevent spread of virus (sterilizing immunity), public health policy favoring wide-scale restrictions, school closures. For each of these issues, there were highly respected academics questioning the "consensus" narrative. They were attacked in ways that would make Galileo roll over in his grave. 

Yes, there were elements on the right saying retarded nonsense. Most of these things can be dismissed out of hand by someone willing to think and look at both sides of the argument/debate. Quasi-decrees from government technocrats (oftentimes left leaning or sympathetic) were far more damaging and their narrative was amplified on social media. Those that opposed were attacked and this had a chilling effect on what many domain experts said--why stick your neck out to say what is true if you will be attacked? It's just easier to say nothing and that's what many did. 

[Mike Parrish]

1 hour ago, Theo Brixton said:

Many of the issues with disinformation on social media regarding covid were government-sponsored. These include covid origins, efficacy of surgical masks in preventing spread, risk of myocarditis in young men taking the vaccine, vaccines prevent spread of virus (sterilizing immunity), public health policy favoring wide-scale restrictions, school closures. For each of these issues, there were highly respected academics questioning the "consensus" narrative. They were attacked in ways that would make Galileo roll over in his grave.

Post your evidence.
Peer reviewed papers in reputable journals please.

[Mike Parrish]

Twitter is toast.

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/25/1139180002/twitter-loses-50-top-advertisers-elon-musk

[headshuck]

NPR is toast.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3551625-the-time-has-come-defund-the-hopelessly-biased-npr/amp/

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-people-like-NPR

[Mike Parrish]

5 minutes ago, headshuck said:

NPR is toast.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3551625-the-time-has-come-defund-the-hopelessly-biased-npr/amp/

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-people-like-NPR

Oh look, a naked Whataboutism!

[Ban Basketball]

1 hour ago, headshuck said:

NPR is toast.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3551625-the-time-has-come-defund-the-hopelessly-biased-npr/amp/

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-people-like-NPR

Nah...nah.

How in the world would you NOT like NPR!? 

Their journalists even show up on Tattletale "News" panels, for God's sake.

[Husker_Du]

lol. npr is god awful state media. literally. 

[Ban Basketball]

20 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

lol. npr is god awful state media. literally. 

Reported news bad...REALLY BAD! 

Who, what, where, when, why and how, wrong...VERY WRONG!

Edited November 26, 2022 by Ban Basketball

[Husker_Du]

that you listen to/like that npr woke drivel is the least surprising thing ever.

you're a cliche. 

[Theo Brixton]

5 hours ago, Mike Parrish said:

Post your evidence.
Peer reviewed papers in reputable journals please.

Fair enough.

But the point is that there isn't evidence to support many of the restrictive (and some would say unethical) policies that were instituted. The burden of proof is on someone to prove the aforementioned points of the consensus narrative to justify implementation of such policies. And just an FYI, to think that peer-review serves as some bulwark against fraudulent and incorrect manuscripts reaching publication is a quaint notion. Nevertheless, here is some literature.

Covid mandates for college-age students. A number of the researchers on this paper are highly cited, at top institutions and have sterling reputations. The myocarditis signal in young men taking mRNA vaccines was known very early on in Israel and people raising this issue on social media were often deemed to be spreading "misinformation":

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4206070

Risks associated with covid which was a critical determinant of the implementation of restrictive measures:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.11.22280963v1

Not "peer-reviewed" yet. Medrxiv allows scientists to post papers prior to publication so that people can have timely access to research of interest. The corresponding author (John Ioannidis) is one of the most highly cited researchers in the last century. I highly doubt the conclusions of this paper will be much different after peer-review. John Ioannidis suffered the wrath of the covid consensus because he published a paper early in the pandemic suggesting the infection fatality rate was much lower than originally suggested. He ended up being correct. 

Covid origins are far from settled:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

Incidentally, much of the groundwork for identifying inconsistencies in the government(s)-narrative of covid origins has been from the Twitter hive-mind. Truly a sight to behold for those with the interest and patience. It makes the JFK assassination look tame by comparison.

School shutdowns have been disastrous for children, particularly those from disadvantaged backgrounds. The repercussions will be felt for years to come. One of the many disgraces (and perhaps the most unforgivable) of the public health profession during this pandemic. This was predicted and predictable:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2022376118

There was never any proof that the covid vaccines prevent the vaccinated from infecting others so there can be no paper proving this. However there is plenty of documentation that this assertion was made (if it hasn't been conveniently deleted). Here's an example of what I mean:

You can't even access the article because it has been deleted. The Winston Smiths of the world have been busy!

 You can find for yourself the death statistics for Sweden, a country that was almost unanimously condemned (and criticized by Trump!) for not implementing large-scale lockdowns. Their death rate is in line with other Scandinavian countries and is on the low end of Europe. In the United States, Florida was derided for their open policies. When you adjust for age (the single biggest risk factor) their death rates are in line with California. This virus is going to do what the virus is going to do, restrictions be damned. And soon enough the same can be said for China. It is just a matter of how much collateral damage they will incur before they acquiesce. 

And as far as justification of restrictions--a recently deposed Anthony Fauci claimed his support of lockdowns (he also claims he never supported lockdowns--which is it Tony?) came from his colleague's (Clifford Lane) first-hand account of his time in China. LOL. Like the United States could (or should?!) impose obvious violations of human rights to stop the spread of a virus that was obviously unstoppable at that point. Sadly, you cannot find (or at least very difficult to find) this in the NY Times and Washington Post. Apparently they don't think this is newsworthy, further demonstrating the bias in reporting. You can go to the Twitter accounts of those with first-hand involvement. This is one of the wonders of Twitter-- notable, true information is available and TPTB cannot stop it from being disseminated. We should celebrate this, not hope for Twitter's demise because the CEO is a jerk.

This is 10 minutes of searching. I can go on indefinitely with this. 

Assuming it isn't written by the CCP, history will judge this period--and the technocrats responsible for it--rather harshly. And IMO, the Twitter hive-mind has been instrumental for the truth to have a chance to come to light. This should be protected at all costs. The antidote to misinformation is not censorship but to combat it with true information. There is no other way in a free society.

[Mike Parrish]

I appreciate the in depth answer.

I'll respond in a bit when I've had time to read your links in full.

I'm at a wrestling fundraiser/recruitment event today.

[Ban Basketball]

"The left just bans speech that they don't like."

Looks as though the latest darling of the "tea party" done did ban Kanye West from Twitter.

I thought that the days of bans at Twitter were done, eh, friends?!

As a side note, Kanye West is the latest in a long list of Clayton Bigsby's that will be shocked some day.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Ban Basketball

[Theo Brixton]

For those interested, there's a pretty provocative thread unfolding on Twitter:

Currently it is airing some of Twitter's dirty laundry regarding censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop news. Matt Taibbi is breaking it. Probably the perfect person to do it.

[jross]

Unrolled

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1598853816874831872.html

[mspart]

Very interesting.   The Hunter story appears to have been "deleted" from Twitter based on hacked info, yet they could not determine that it was hacked info.    READ:   It was not information they wanted on their social media platform. 

mspart

 

[Ban Basketball]

Hunter Biden!

Pizzagate!

Snowden!

Rabbit hole...0

[Mike Parrish]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

Very interesting.   The Hunter story appears to have been "deleted" from Twitter based on hacked info, yet they could not determine that it was hacked info.    READ:   It was not information they wanted on their social media platform. 

mspart

 

Because the Trust & Safety people at Twitter knew it was garbage.

Just like taking horse dewormer to treat COVID was garbage.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Mike Parrish

[headshuck]

Can you spot the Trust & Safety people?

[Theo Brixton]

22 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Can you spot the Trust & Safety people?

Yes, they're right here: