Anthony Cassar: "Cael keeps you grounded in your faith"

[1032004]

Now I guess in theory that could have more occurred while Cassar was part of NLWC and not PSU, but seems odd for a coach at a state school.

Good interview overall though.   This quote is around 29:30.

 

[Gus]

  On 8/29/2023 at 8:19 PM, 1032004 said:

Now I guess in theory that could have more occurred while Cassar was part of NLWC and not PSU, but seems odd for a coach at a state school.

Good interview overall though.   This quote is around 29:30.

 

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Or it could just be that Cael creates an environment that prioritizes spiritual/mental health and not being overly obsessed with the results. Perhaps he shows the athletes, with his own actions and faith, that wrestling is something they do - not who they are. It probably is very freeing for the athletes to compete and not have their whole identity teetering on whether they win or lose. 

[Plasmodium]

One thing I recall Carl doing is an individual  one hour meeting every spring with each wrestler.  The only topic off limits is wrestling.

[PortaJohn]

  On 8/29/2023 at 8:19 PM, 1032004 said:

but seems odd for a coach at a state school.

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Penn State is not a state school and I might not be religious myself but I don't see any harm in what Cael is doing in terms of connecting with his wrestlers through "faith" even if it seems foreign to me

[ugarles]

  On 8/29/2023 at 9:17 PM, PortaJohn said:

Penn State is not a state school

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i can't tell if i took the bait here. goddamit. i really have no idea.

[Le duke]

Plenty of non-religious kids have come through PSU’s team as well.

Cael helps people understand that they are more than “just” wrestlers and their identity and value is not tied to their results on the mat. Win or lose, it’s not the end of the world. Like @Gus says, that’s freeing to many of them.


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[PortaJohn]

  On 8/29/2023 at 9:34 PM, ugarles said:

i can't tell if i took the bait here. goddamit. i really have no idea.

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Lol.  Not at all.  Penn State is a "state related" school but not a state school.  

[1032004]

  On 8/29/2023 at 9:17 PM, PortaJohn said:

Penn State is not a state school and I might not be religious myself but I don't see any harm in what Cael is doing in terms of connecting with his wrestlers through "faith" even if it seems foreign to me

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State-related?

Does that impact their requirement to abide by separation of Church and state?

Although I suppose Cael may also be in the clear anyway if he only talks about “faith” and not Jesus or any specific religion.

[ionel]

  On 8/29/2023 at 9:17 PM, PortaJohn said:

Penn State is not a state school 

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But ... We Are Penn State!  

Are you saying they've been lying to us?  

[ionel]

  On 8/29/2023 at 10:41 PM, 1032004 said:

State-related?

Does that impact their requirement to abide by separation of Church and state?

Although I suppose Cael may also be in the clear anyway if he only talks about “faith” and not Jesus or any specific religion.

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Would you like to define & reference that requirement or should we just ignore and let this thread stay on track?  

[1032004]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:11 PM, ionel said:

Would you like to define & reference that requirement or should we just ignore and let this thread stay on track?  

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“US courts have ruled that schools are an ‘arm of the state’ and thus can do nothing to hinder or promote religion”

https://news.cornellcollege.edu/2019/11/ask-expert-separation-church-state-mean-americas-public-schools-report/

[PortaJohn]

  On 8/29/2023 at 10:41 PM, 1032004 said:

State-related?

Does that impact their requirement to abide by separation of Church and state?

Although I suppose Cael may also be in the clear anyway if he only talks about “faith” and not Jesus or any specific religion.

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Cael is allowed to talk about Jesus & Joesph Smith.  It's protected under his constitutional right.  He's not allowed discriminate wrestlers who are not religious or to force religious practice i.e prayer, going to church, drink the blood of christ

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[1032004]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:19 PM, PortaJohn said:

Cael is allowed to talk about Jesus & Joesph Smith.  It's protected under his constitutional right.  He's not allowed discriminate wrestlers who are not religious or to force religious practice i.e prayer, going to church, drink the blood of christ

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He can even “promote” Jesus and/or Joseph Smith?

[ionel]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:29 PM, 1032004 said:

He can even “promote” Jesus and/or Joseph Smith?

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If Nolf hadn't been there he mightve recruited Joe Smith. 

[PortaJohn]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:29 PM, 1032004 said:

He can even “promote” Jesus and/or Joseph Smith?

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@VakAttack is our resident lawyer so he would probably know better but from my understanding no he cannot promote Jesus or Joseph Smith

[ionel]

Vak is now a Constutional lawyer?  Some day we may be able to say we rubbed shoulders (er electrons) with a Surpreme.  

[PortaJohn]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:48 PM, ionel said:

Vak is now a Constutional lawyer?  Some day we may be able to say we rubbed shoulders (er electrons) with a Surpreme.  

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I never said Constitutional Lawyer.  I said Resident Lawyer as in he is our Resident Intermat Forum Lawyer.  It's pro bono work but it's fulfilling 

[ionel]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:56 PM, PortaJohn said:

I never said Constitutional Lawyer.  I said Resident Lawyer as in he is our Resident Intermat Forum Lawyer.  It's pro bono work but it's fulfilling 

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yeah but still ... there's a chance

[1032004]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:58 PM, ionel said:

yeah but still ... there's a chance

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Think he’s got a better shot than FloKaren?

[PortaJohn]

  On 8/29/2023 at 11:58 PM, ionel said:

yeah but still ... there's a chance

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Through discovery I've collected

Vak v. Social Sec. Admin, 753 F.2d 1076 (7th Cir. 1984)

 

Peterson v. Vak 70 N.W.2d 436 (1955) 160 Neb. 450

Estate of Vak v. Commissioner, 973 F.2d 1409

Vak v. Net Matrix Solutions, Inc., 01–13–00385–CV. - Case Law

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[Lunaticfringe]

Name some non bible thumpers at PSU? I can’t think of any who didn’t thank god 5x per interview.

[ionel]

  On 8/30/2023 at 1:48 AM, Lunaticfringe said:

Name some non bible thumpers at PSU? I can’t think of any who didn’t thank god 5x per interview.

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Gary Steen    

[1032004]

  On 8/30/2023 at 1:48 AM, Lunaticfringe said:

Name some non bible thumpers at PSU? I can’t think of any who didn’t thank god 5x per interview.

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Starocci IIRC.   Unless thinking he’s God counts (which I know may be a bit of an act for social media)

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[Le duke]

  On 8/30/2023 at 2:07 AM, 1032004 said:

Starocci IIRC.   Unless thinking he’s God counts (which I know may be a bit of an act for social media)

And SVN, and Bartlett, and DT, and Ruth, and Cenzo, and Nolf…


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[Gus]

  On 8/30/2023 at 2:25 AM, Le duke said:

And SVN, and Bartlett, and DT, and Ruth, and Cenzo, and Nolf…


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Nolf talks about his faith a lot