Gus Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 1 hour ago, ionel said: But its close and are you sure The Professor can't figure out a way, what if Messenbrink beats O'Toole? Also now that you've used up Cornell, Mizzou & Iowa is there another 3 team combo that can do it? VT / ISU / Nebraska 125: Ventresca dec Howard 3-0 133: Latona dec Nagao 6-0 141: Hardy dec Bartlett 9-0 149: Lovett dec SVN 12-0 157: Haines dec Robb 12-3 165: Carr dec Messenbrink 15-3 174: Starr dec Gaitan 15-6 Bump 184: Mekhi dec Truax 18-6 197: Brooks mdec Allred 18-9 HWT: Kerk dec Bastida 18-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treep2000 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Regarding Shapiro and Mesenbrink. Yes. They just won worlds U20s. Yes. This bodes well for forecasting their NCAA success. We should just temper expectations a bit though. There are are some very good wrestlers still in their way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 PSU is likely very competitive in a match against a lineup of the rest of DI. It's an impressive collection of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, treep2000 said: Regarding Shapiro and Mesenbrink. Yes. They just won worlds U20s. Yes. This bodes well for forecasting their NCAA success. We should just temper expectations a bit though. There are are some very good wrestlers still in their way. But it's August so.... 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat_charlie Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, treep2000 said: Regarding Shapiro and Mesenbrink. Yes. They just won worlds U20s. Yes. This bodes well for forecasting their NCAA success. We should just temper expectations a bit though. There are are some very good wrestlers still in their way. I'm with you there, no need to go overboard. That said, U20 champs are basically a guarantee to AA, and most win titles at some point in their careers. Looking at the past 10 years of junior world champs in their first year of competition, we have: 2013 Snyder - 2nd place in first try in 2015 (no redshirt) 2015 Lee - 1st place in first try in 2018 (no redshirt) 2016 Lee - See above Hall - 1st place in first try in 2017 (no redshirt) 2017 Hall - See above Fix - 2nd place in first try in 2019 Steveson - 3rd place in first try in 2019 (no redshirt) 2018 Lewis - 1st place in first try in 2019 2019 Carr - 1st place in first try in 2021 Parris - 2nd place in first try (after world's) in 2021 2021 O'Toole - 1st place in first try (after World's) in 2022 Elam - 4th place in first try (after World's) in 2022 Amos - NQ in first try 2022 Volk - NQ in first try Kueter - TBD 2023 Shapiro - TBD Mesenbrink - TBD Edited August 22, 2023 by steamboat_charlie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Lipdrag said: Congrats to NHS for his make-believe coach of the year win on this make-believe topic. And even more so for channeling his inner IlliniWrestlingBlog in the wit and wisdom of his post. Silent heroes. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Gus said: 3 Team Combo: Cornell/ Mizzou / Iowa 125 Ayala dec Howard 3-0 133 Vito dec Nagao 6-0 141 Woods dec Bartlett 9-0 149 Shapiro dec Van Ness 12-0 157 Haines dec Franek 12-3 165 O'Toole dec Mesenbrink 15-3 174 Starocci dec Foca 15-6 184 Keckeisen dec Truax 18-6 197 Brooks dec Elam 18-9 285 Kerk dec Elam 18-12 Did Keckeisen transfer to Iowa? Edited August 22, 2023 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 One thing this thread taught me is Cornell seems like the clear #2. They’ve got a good shot at taking 4 matches and a slim shot at 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Did Keckeisen transfer to Iowa? Whoops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Did Keckeisen transfer to Iowa? Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 I think Cornell and Nebraska have the best chance at beating PSU. There are of course some toss ups that Penn State could win and could easily give them the dual. However, I don’t think there’s any two team combo that has a better chance 125 - Ungar dec. Howard 3-0 133 - Vito dec. Nagao 6-0 141 - Hardy dec. Bartlett 9-0 149 - Lovett Dec. Van Ness 12-0 157 - Robb Dec. Haines 15-0 165 - Ramirez Dec. Messenbrink 18-0 174 - Starocci Dec. Foca 18-3 184 - Truax Dec. Pinto 18-6 197 - Brooks Maj. Allred 18-10 285 - Kerkvliet maj. Fernandes 18-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 We're gonna need multiple teams from multiple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Everyone seems to have this Messenbrink kid losing, I here tell he looks pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizzou Fan Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 3 hours ago, 1032004 said: One thing this thread taught me is Cornell seems like the clear #2. They’ve got a good shot at taking 4 matches and a slim shot at 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mizzou Fan said: Give me Shapiro over Mauller, and maybe Ungar over Surtin, and yes I know he got pinned last year. And I don’t even like Cornell Edited August 23, 2023 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, ionel said: Everyone seems to have this Messenbrink kid losing, I here tell he looks pretty good. To be fair, it’s pretty much the only way to have a hypothetical PSU loss. You need to find six weights PSU could lose… it’s not 174, 197, or 285. One of them almost has to be 165. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him beat Ramirez, but it was the most logical way to have Cornell/Nebraska win the dual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Eagle26 said: To be fair, it’s pretty much the only way to have a hypothetical PSU loss. You need to find six weights PSU could lose… it’s not 174, 197, or 285. One of them almost has to be 165. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him beat Ramirez, but it was the most logical way to have Cornell/Nebraska win the dual. And maybe they just can't do it. I think you need 3 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 19 hours ago, flyingcement said: Cornell and Ohio State 125: Ungar dec Howard 3-0 133: Vito major Nagao 7-0 141: Mendez dec Bartlett 10-0 149: Meyer Shapiro dec Shayne Van Ness 13-0 157: Sammy Sasso dec Levi Haines 16-0 165: Mitchell Mesenbrink dec Julian Ramirez 16-3 174: Carter Starocci dec Chris Foca 16-6 184: Bernie Truax dec Jon Loew 16-9 197: Aaron Brooks dec Jacob Cardenas 16-12 285: Nick Feldman dec Greg Kerkvliet 19-12 This could happen, but I kinda doubt Sasso wrestles this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 minute ago, ionel said: And maybe they just can't do it. I think you need 3 teams. You may not be able to do it with 77 teams lol. But Cornell and Nebraska would at least have an outside shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, ionel said: And maybe they just can't do it. I think you need 3 teams. 3 teams or a bit of luck with an upset or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, flyingcement said: 3 teams or a bit of luck with an upset or two I think Carl should schedule at least two teams for every dual meet this year otherwise what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, ionel said: I think Carl should schedule at least two teams for every dual meet this year otherwise what's the point? Certainly could reconfigure the tri-dual format this year. If Penn State were to have Lock Haven and Lehigh competing against them in a tri-dual. May as well have Lehigh vs Lock Haven go first. And then whoever won each match advances to face Penn State on behalf of both other teams for the second dual. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Certainly could reconfigure the tri-dual format this year. If Penn State were to have Lock Haven and Lehigh competing against them in a tri-dual. May as well have Lehigh vs Lock Haven go first. And then whoever won each match advances to face Penn State on behalf of both other teams for the second dual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, ionel said: And maybe they just can't do it. I think you need 3 teams. Can the 2 teams send out 2 guys per weight? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lipdrag Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, 1032004 said: Can the 2 teams send out 2 guys per weight? Sorry NHS, we now have our new Hypothetical Coach of the Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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