jross Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) The purpose of this post is to explore context and nuances of homicide. The questions are Jimmy Whelcher style and they will be sewn together in the end for relevancy to some non wrestling topics in this forum. Interesting. A person who kills another person in self-defense may not be charged with homicide. In order to claim self-defense, a person must reasonably believe that they are in immediate danger of being harmed and that the use of deadly force is necessary to protect themselves. Drinking and driving can pose serious health risks to other drivers on the road. Is or should it be legal to homicide a person leaving the bar drunk when they start up their car to drive to their next place? Edited April 7, 2023 by jross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 No Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 this is a joke, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 You won't get any pushback for slashing tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Homicide is, definitionally, a neutral term that just means a person has killed another person. Whether or not that homicide meets the elements of the charge of murder is a different thing. No, it is not nor should it be legal to murder someone for what you think they might do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrog Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Ahhh...deep thoughts by jross...you should do a daily thread like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 what if C-A-T really spelled dog????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrog Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Here's one...what if climate change was responsible for more homers in baseball?? Oh wait, "scientists" are making that claim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 my favorite was climate change (remember when it used to be called something else) was responsible for childhood obesity because it is too hot to go outside and play... that was a real live article... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 About 30% of all traffic crash fatalities in the United States involve drunk drivers (with BACs of .08 g/dL or higher). In 2020, there were 11,654 people killed in these preventable crashes. In every state, it’s illegal to drive drunk, yet one person was killed in a drunk-driving crash every 45 minutes in the United States in 2020. https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving Kansas finally has something to brag about on a wrestling forum. https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/States/StatesAlcohol.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 56 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Homicide is, definitionally, a neutral term that just means a person has killed another person. Whether or not that homicide meets the elements of the charge of murder is a different thing. No, it is not nor should it be legal to murder someone for what you think they might do. What makes homicide for self-defense murder? I feel very threatened and reasonable believe that drunk drivers on the road are going to harm me, just like they did my aunt, great-grandmother, and my friend's sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrog Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 32 minutes ago, jross said: What makes homicide for self-defense murder? I feel very threatened and reasonable believe that drunk drivers on the road are going to harm me, just like they did my aunt, great-grandmother, and my friend's sister. UGH! My condolences jross!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I think the best solution is to allow only drunk drivers on the road from 1am to 3 am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbrog Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, El Luchador said: I think the best solution is to allow only drunk drivers on the road from 1am to 3 am. Darwinism at its best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, jross said: What makes homicide for self-defense murder? I feel very threatened and reasonable believe that drunk drivers on the road are going to harm me, just like they did my aunt, great-grandmother, and my friend's sister. Actual imminent danger vs. perceived potential danger. If you drive while drunk, there is a penalty for that. It is not death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Actual imminent danger vs. perceived potential danger. If you drive while drunk, there is a penalty for that. It is not death. Also in most states you need to have no other reasonable options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) Question #2 Food, Shelter, Health, Transport, Education, and Entertainment can be expensive. Family providers may be concerned that they do not have the financial resources to support their family members. In this case of concern, should the provider have the legal right to choose to homicide their family to avoid the financial burden? Edited April 7, 2023 by jross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Obvious solution is to suspend the use of powered vehicles until AI is reliable. For now, we should only ride horses as they don't drink and they aren't fond of running into each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, jross said: Question #2 Food, Shelter, Health, Transport, Education, and Entertainment can be expensive. Family providers may be concerned that they do not have the financial resources to support their family members. In this case of concern, should the provider have the legal right to choose to homicide their family to avoid the financial burden? This is a power reserved for the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, jross said: Question #2 Food, Shelter, Health, Transport, Education, and Entertainment can be expensive. Family providers may be concerned that they do not have the financial resources to support their family members. In this case of concern, should the provider have the legal right to choose to homicide their family to avoid the financial burden? I think so, but only under specific circumstances. One circumstance is if they are young and unwilling to do homework. Those people are destined to be a burden on society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: I think so, but only under specific circumstances. One circumstance is if they are young and unwilling to do homework. Those people are destined to be a burden on society. Kinda like a retroactive abortion? Maybe out to the 100th trimester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, El Luchador said: Kinda like a retroactive abortion? Maybe out to the 100th trimester? Exactly, but with some restrictions. I feel like they have to make the final selection on their gender. And the decision maker can only be a parent who identifies as a mother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: Exactly, but with some restrictions. I feel like they have to make the final selection on their gender. And the decision maker can only be a parent who identifies as a mother. You mean the gestational parent? I'm not sure what this mother term is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, El Luchador said: You mean the gestational parent? I'm not sure what this mother term is. No, absolutely not. It is up to the mother to decide what it means to be a mother. That is why she/he/they/xi have the decision making capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 i literally can not tell if this parody or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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