flyingcement Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 Just now, Husker_Du said: are you using any data at all? seems to me you're making assumptions based out of thin air. low level businesses like Flo not useful for comparison in this case (FYI) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Honestly, if my interest is in a specific tournament and it is behind a PPV wall as well, then I am going to pay. It makes sense. Same here. Like I mentioned. Wrestling people will pay. "Joe PSU" or "Joe ASU" may not. Journeyman is a one click buy if you're a Rokfin subscriber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Honestly, if my interest is in a specific tournament and it is behind a PPV wall as well, then I am going to pay. It makes sense. Sure. A small number of people will pay for the PPV for each tournament. I would argue this is a worse outcome and business model than having everybody pay a bit more and having all tournaments available to everyone. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: otherwise, you're just scoffing at semantics and/or a unique funnel. Checks out. That doesn't make it exist any less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Mike Parrish said: Sure. A small number of people will pay for the PPV for each tournament. I would argue this is a worse outcome and business model than having everybody pay a bit more and having all tournaments available to everyone. I would also be willing to pay more. If there was a 'tier' sort of setup I definitely would. Something like what is current with the $10 and the PPV option, but give me a $15/mo option to unlock all of it, and I am in as well. 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 (edited) Also, welcome to the party @Mike Parrish. Edited November 11, 2022 by nhs67 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 that may or may not be the case, Mike. however 1) rokfin is agnostic in this (it's the event organizer that decides it) and 2) it's much better for me (who doesn't use ppv but who has more daily viewers than most) it's a really great happy medium (and currently the best situation for the creators) the only down side is that some consumers a skittish b/c they can't wrap their brain around $10+$15=$25 vs. $25 of course, the choice is yours in deciding whether to watch or not. 2 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Can you imagine the venom that would be spewed toward Flo if they started charging for watching many events? On top of their regular subscription …. The vehement Flo haters would be apoplectic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dark Energy said: The vehement Flo haters would be apoplectic. ap·o·plec·tic Overcome with anger; extremely indignant. For the dummies in the back. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I'm actually more interested in the UWW's digital build out and how that might further balkanize the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerniePragle Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, flyingcement said: I don't doubt it may seem to make sense for other aspects of the business. But for the consumers themselves, it's an awkward way to access the content. You could say, well the consumers should be resilient and figure it out, and that's fine and fair. But a business approach that considers the consumer, especially for anyone who would claim to care about growing wrestling, is one that is going to win in the long run. It strikes me a bit of pennywise and pound-foolish to optimize one's own economics at the expense of being unreasonable to consumers (who would have awarded you with greater scale and increased economics over time). The cornerstone of "Total Quality Management" as defined and taught by W. Edwards Deming was to meet the customer's requirements. This has been replaced in many of today's companies (especially the "cool kids" typified here), who are concerned only with meeting their own requirements. Customers? We don't need no stinking customers. I simply refuse to play the "bait and switch" game so common with the "content providers" anymore. Clearly and concisely define the cost and the product for the dumb guys like me who are not so good at the fuzzy wuzzy stuff. Oh yeah, and also who dislike surprises 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerniePragle Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, MPhillips said: ap·o·plec·tic Overcome with anger; extremely indignant. For the dummies in the back. Can you speak a little louder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, MPhillips said: ap·o·plec·tic Overcome with anger; extremely indignant. For the dummies in the back. Say what!? 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, BerniePragle said: The cornerstone of "Total Quality Management" as defined and taught by W. Edwards Deming was to meet the customer's requirements. This has been replaced in many of today's companies (especially the "cool kids" typified here), who are concerned only with meeting their own requirements. Customers? We don't need no stinking customers. I simply refuse to play the "bait and switch" game so common with the "content providers" anymore. Clearly and concisely define the cost and the product for the dumb guys like me who are not so good at the fuzzy wuzzy stuff. Oh yeah, and also who dislike surprises Rokfin = $100 yr. and one off PPV fees for certain events whose promoter decides to utilize that function glad to clear that up for you. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: Rokfin = $100 yr. and one off PPV fees for certain events whose promoter decides to utilize that function glad to clear that up for you. From a site development perspective, is there any room to add an "eyeroll" reaction to the existing four we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerniePragle Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: Rokfin = $100 yr. and one off PPV fees for certain events whose promoter decides to utilize that function glad to clear that up for you. Very simple, huh? I guess that's why a half dozen of the smartest people I've run into on here have discussed it for almost two pages. I'll paraphrase your statement: I'll sell you this cup for $100. Then you'll have to pay someone (?) to fill the cup with what you want to drink for an an additional cost (?). Crystal clear. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, flyingcement said: From a site development perspective, is there any room to add an "eyeroll" reaction to the existing four we have? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 that's a horribly inaccurate metaphor. that cup isn't empty. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 i said in my first reply that i wouldn't try to convince you guys. i'll stop now. think what you want. it's your money after all. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: glad to clear that up for you. We're new to your ways. Not dumb. Be patient... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, MPhillips said: We're new to your ways. Not dumb. Be patient... We are a simple people. We laugh and we wrestle. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said: We are a simple people. We laugh and we wrestle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 hours ago, flyingcement said: low level businesses like Flo not useful for comparison in this case (FYI) Well considering the founders are one and the same, it probably makes sense to compare them… And for that reason, I think it had to be expected that something like this might happen. I guess one could argue Rokfin is “better” than Flo because more of the proceeds go to the “creators,” but this model sure seems like worse value for the consumers who may end up paying more annually for Rokfin for arguably less content than Flo (depending on their interest in particular events). But, I do need to thank Willie for not requiring a Rokfin sub for using this forum… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: Well considering the founders are one and the same, it probably makes sense to compare them… And for that reason, I think it had to be expected that something like this might happen. I guess one could argue Rokfin is “better” than Flo because more of the proceeds go to the “creators,” but this model sure seems like worse value for the consumers who may end up paying more annually for Rokfin for arguably less content than Flo (depending on their interest in particular events). But, I do need to thank Willie for not requiring a Rokfin sub for using this forum… ... yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crablegs Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 13 hours ago, Husker_Du said: it's a really great happy medium (and currently the best situation for the creators) You keep saying it’s the best medium for creators. But what’s the proof? Outside of wrestling there is nothing worthwhile on there. A bunch of fringe content like crypto (which is imploding as we speak) and conspiracy theories. Where are all the creators of content with large audiences? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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