PSU Best Ever vs Iowa Best Ever - who wins?

[Zahnarzt]

Best ever at each weight class for both schools.  Who wins the hypothetical dual meet?

My take on PSU lineup —-

125 - Megaludis

133 - RBY

141 - Nick Lee

157 - Nolf

165 - Taylor

174 - Starocci

184 - Brooks

197 - Nickal

285 - Kerry McCoy

 

Will need help from Iowa fans on who fills their lineup. 

[Matthew Burns]

Missing a 149.

I'm guessing Retherford.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Iowa's best crushes that lineup and it's not even close

 

Iowa

125 Spencer Lee (3x champ)

133 Tom Brands (3x champ, Olympic gold)

141 Jeff McGinness (2x champ)

149 Incoln McIlravy (3x champ, Olympic bronze)

157 Jim Zalesky (3x champ)

165 Joe Williams (3x champ, Olympian)

174 Joe Scarpello (3x champ)

184 Ed Banach (3x champ, Olympic gold)

197 Chris Campbell (2x champ, Olympic bronze)

HWT Lou Banach (2x champ, Olympic gold)

[Zahnarzt]

21 minutes ago, Matthew Burns said:

Missing a 149.

I'm guessing Retherford.

Yeah, my bad. 
Definitely Retherford at 149

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Iowa's best crushes that lineup and it's not even close

 

Iowa

125 Spencer Lee (3x champ)

133 Tom Brands (3x champ, Olympic gold)

141 Jeff McGinness (2x champ)

149 Incoln McIlravy (3x champ, Olympic bronze)

157 Jim Zalesky (3x champ)

165 Joe Williams (3x champ, Olympian)

174 Joe Scarpello (3x champ)

184 Ed Banach (3x champ, Olympic gold)

197 Chris Campbell (2x champ, Olympic bronze)

HWT Lou Banach (2x champ, Olympic gold)

Keep in mind when a few of those Olympic Gold's happened. 

 

 

[Zahnarzt]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Iowa's best crushes that lineup and it's not even close

 

Iowa

125 Spencer Lee (3x champ)

133 Tom Brands (3x champ, Olympic gold)

141 Jeff McGinness (2x champ)

149 Incoln McIlravy (3x champ, Olympic bronze)

157 Jim Zalesky (3x champ)

165 Joe Williams (3x champ, Olympian)

174 Joe Scarpello (3x champ)

184 Ed Banach (3x champ, Olympic gold)

197 Chris Campbell (2x champ, Olympic bronze)

HWT Lou Banach (2x champ, Olympic gold)

Gable doesn’t crack the lineup, eh?

[PortaJohn]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Iowa's best crushes that lineup and it's not even close

 

Iowa

125 Spencer Lee (3x champ)

133 Tom Brands (3x champ, Olympic gold)

141 Jeff McGinness (2x champ)

149 Incoln McIlravy (3x champ, Olympic bronze)

157 Jim Zalesky (3x champ)

165 Joe Williams (3x champ, Olympian)

174 Joe Scarpello (3x champ)

184 Ed Banach (3x champ, Olympic gold)

197 Chris Campbell (2x champ, Olympic bronze)

HWT Lou Banach (2x champ, Olympic gold)

How does Iowa crush that lineup? Penn State would win every match after 149

Edited April 1, 2023 by PortaJohn

[gimpeltf]

8 minutes ago, Zahnarzt said:

Gable doesn’t crack the lineup, eh?

Neither Gable went to Iowa or PSU.

[Matthew Burns]

I'll say Iowa wins the three lightest weights out the gate. Even if I mess with the Lineup and start;

Barry Davis, Mark Ironside, Tom Brands.

The only match I don't see as a coin flip would be Nickal at 197. That's a lot of matches to steal.

 

 

 

[Le duke]

I think Penn State wins 149 and up under modern weigh in rules.


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[Zahnarzt]

24 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

Neither Gable went to Iowa or PSU.

Damn, I’m an idiot. 

[PortaJohn]

18 minutes ago, Matthew Burns said:

I'll say Iowa wins the three lightest weights out the gate. Even if I mess with the Lineup and start;

Barry Davis, Mark Ironside, Tom Brands.

The only match I don't see as a coin flip would be Nickal at 197. That's a lot of matches to steal.

 

 

 

Penn State would rip through that Iowa lineup after the lightweights except if Iowa started sophomore year Mocco

[Threadkilla]

No mention of Godcalf.  Awesome

[cangemi]

Randy Lewis could be inserted 

[cangemi]

Why is Nickal not a coin flip with Campbell.?

 

[Le duke]

Just imagine the absolute pistol whipping an 80s or early 90s, night-before 125 or 133 would get at the hands of a Cael at PSU-era, 1-hr weigh-in 125 or 133.


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[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, cangemi said:

Why is Nickal not a coin flip with Campbell.?

 

because hes 10x better.  Many modern day wrestlers who have never won a national championship would beat most of Iowa's best ever from the 80's early 90's

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[headshuck]

Seems like you’d need a Time Machine to compare. Brutes from the past would probably inflict a world of hurt on today’s guys if the refs allowed it.

[Le duke]

Seems like you’d need a Time Machine to compare. Brutes from the past would probably inflict a world of hurt on today’s guys if the refs allowed it.

Most of them would fall over dead making weight and then wrestling on a 1-hr weigh in.


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[flyingcement]

Cyclones could put out a good team as well

[ionel]

14 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Most of them would fall over dead making weight and then wrestling on a 1-hr weigh in.


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Good grief. They added 7lbs to every weight class in going to one hr weigh ins, the old guys wouldn't have any trouble making the 1 hr weight.  If weighins under old rules new guys prob couldnt even make the weight.  Can you image Glory trying to make 118 the night before.  

[Le duke]

Good grief. They added 7lbs to every weight class in going to one hr weigh ins, the old guys wouldn't have any trouble making the 1 hr weight.  If weighins under old rules new guys prob couldnt even make the weight.  Can you image Glory trying to make 118 the night before.  

So, a 125lb guy who had a night before weigh-in would have the same physical ability as that same guy, who made 125 an hour before he had to wrestle?

The science of exercise physiology would suggest you are very much wrong. A guy who weighs 135 and sweats off 10lbs to make 125 is going to perform completely differently on a night before weigh in (and can use IVs) vs that same guy doing the same thing with only an hour to rehydrate. It’s a pretty widely studied topic in physiology and it’s kind of crazy that you believe that.

Guys from the 80s/90s would most likely have to go up two whole modern weights to not get their teeth kicked in.

Here’s an excerpt from a paper written by a coach of some of the world’s best cyclists:

“Fatigue toward the end of a prolonged sporting event may result as much from dehydration as from fuel substrate depletion. Exercise performance is impaired when an individual is dehydrated by as little as 2% of body weight. Losses in excess of 5% of body weight can decrease the capacity for work by about 30% (Armstrong et al. 1985; Craig and Cummings 1966; Maughan 1991; Sawka and Pandolf 1990).”


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[ionel]

49 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

So, a 125lb guy who had a night before weigh-in would have the same physical ability as that same guy, who made 125 an hour before he had to wrestle?

The science of exercise physiology would suggest you are very much wrong. A guy who weighs 135 and sweats off 10lbs to make 125 is going to perform completely differently on a night before weigh in (and can use IVs) vs that same guy doing the same thing with only an hour to rehydrate. It’s a pretty widely studied topic in physiology and it’s kind of crazy that you believe that.

Guys from the 80s/90s would most likely have to go up two whole modern weights to not get their teeth kicked in.

Here’s an excerpt from a paper written by a coach of some of the world’s best cyclists:

“Fatigue toward the end of a prolonged sporting event may result as much from dehydration as from fuel substrate depletion. Exercise performance is impaired when an individual is dehydrated by as little as 2% of body weight. Losses in excess of 5% of body weight can decrease the capacity for work by about 30% (Armstrong et al. 1985; Craig and Cummings 1966; Maughan 1991; Sawka and Pandolf 1990).”


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They weren't weighing 135 and sweating off to 125 the weight class was 118.  Many were probabling pulling too much weight hence why they changed the rules & weights.  Guys wrestling 167 were as big as 174 today.  They one our weighing at +lbs worked fine.  Look at where guys wrestled before the change and directly after.  No one really changed weight classes.  One hour wasn't a problem because they weren't pulling as much weight. 

[MPhillips]

52 minutes ago, Le duke said:

So, a 125lb guy who had a night before weigh-in would have the same physical ability as that same guy, who made 125 an hour before he had to wrestle?

Is that what @ionelwas meaning? I didn't read it the same I suppose.

[Phantom]

4 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

How does Iowa crush that lineup? Penn State would win every match after 149

Recency bias is a powerful thing...