Hodge Finalists announced

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

https://www.win-magazine.com/2023/03/21/fanvote/

125 Pat Glory,  Princeton (undefeated)
133 Vito Arujau,  Cornell
141 Andrew Alirez,  Northern Colorado (undefeated)
149 Yianni Diakomihalis, Cornell
157 Austin O’Connor, North Carolina (undefeated)
165 Keegan O’Toole, Missouri
174 Carter Starocci, Penn State (undefeated)
184 Aaron Brooks,  Penn State
197 Nino Bonaccorsi, Pittsburgh (undefeated)
Hwt Mason Parris,   Michigan (undefeated)

 

I believe Yianni wins it.  Yes, I know he has 1 loss, but he is a 4x NCAA champ which outweighs everything else.

Edited March 22, 2023 by Jimmy Cinnabon

[ionel]

Alirez:  undefeated and beat the million dollar man!

[JVStateChamp]

Mason Parris sticks out to me as the Hodge winner. Very impressive resume and wrestled a full season this year.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, JVStateChamp said:

Mason Parris sticks out to me as the Hodge winner. Very impressive resume and wrestled a full season this year.

Only knock on him is his bonus % isn't great - 4 out of the 10 finalists have a better percentage than him.  Also not sure he wrestled the toughest competition.  Might actually give that to KOT, though he has the 2 losses.

[goheels1812]

I would cast my vote for Parris in a normal year, but will vote for AOC this year because I’m a fan and think he’s earned it. 70% bonus rate. Only allowed 1 takedown and 1 reversal all year. Beat a ton of high level kids at his weight. When you talk about a season of dominance, AOC’s name has to be in the conversation at the very least. 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

I would cast my vote for Parris in a normal year, but will vote for AOC this year because I’m a fan and think he’s earned it. 70% bonus rate. Only allowed 1 takedown and 1 reversal all year. Beat a ton of high level kids at his weight. When you talk about a season of dominance, AOC’s name has to be in the conversation at the very least. 

70% bonus is very good.  Only Alirez had a higher percentage.  And AOC is  a 2x champ.  I think the only knock on him was that 157 was not a particularly "hard" weight as the #2 seed was a true freshman who wasn't even the definite starter on his team until midway through the season.

[goheels1812]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

70% bonus is very good.  Only Alirez had a higher percentage.  And AOC is  a 2x champ.  I think the only knock on him was that 157 was not a particularly "hard" weight as the #2 seed was a true freshman who wasn't even the definite starter on his team until midway through the season.

I figure that will be the big knock on him is the competition aspect. I’m pretty confident Humphrey’s was the 2nd best 157 pounder this year and AOC did knock him off in the semis (although it was a tight match) so I’m glad O’Conner saw him. His resume was 2 wins over Andonian (AA)including a major, win over Ed Scott (AA), couple wins over Vince Zerban (round of 12 from the 32 seed), win over Humphrey’s (placed 3rd) and then obviously the win over Haines. All you can do is beat the guys in front of you and AOC did that convincingly this year. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

11 minutes ago, goheels1812 said:

I figure that will be the big knock on him is the competition aspect. I’m pretty confident Humphrey’s was the 2nd best 157 pounder this year and AOC did knock him off in the semis (although it was a tight match) so I’m glad O’Conner saw him. His resume was 2 wins over Andonian (AA)including a major, win over Ed Scott (AA), couple wins over Vince Zerban (round of 12 from the 32 seed), win over Humphrey’s (placed 3rd) and then obviously the win over Haines. All you can do is beat the guys in front of you and AOC did that convincingly this year. 

And Zerban beat Haines.

[goheels1812]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

And Zerban beat Haines.

Zerban is a really really good wrestler. Him getting the 32 seed was reasonable based on his record (which was something like 23-12 if I’m remembering correctly, along with a flurry of losses to finish the season). But he wasn’t a typical 32 seed. I figured he’d do well on the backside.

[BerniePragle]

Not a dog in the bunch.  A good case could be made for all of them.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, goheels1812 said:

Zerban is a really really good wrestler. Him getting the 32 seed was reasonable based on his record (which was something like 23-12 if I’m remembering correctly, along with a flurry of losses to finish the season). But he wasn’t a typical 32 seed. I figured he’d do well on the backside.

Very reasonable.  He may never beat Haines again, but he did this year.  For a while it seemed as if his name might be  an answer to a future trivia question: "Name the only wrestler to defeat Levi Haines in college."

[TylerDurden]

36 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Only knock on him is his bonus % isn't great - 4 out of the 10 finalists have a better percentage than him.  Also not sure he wrestled the toughest competition.  Might actually give that to KOT, though he has the 2 losses.

Parris probably wrestled the toughest competition of all the candidates. Heavyweight was loaded with guys with world-level accomplishments and Parris beat damn near all of them this year. 

He also wrestled 33 matches this year, more than any other finalist, and had 11 pins, which leads the finalists. 

Base off of the stated criteria, the only other candidate with a case is Starocci. 

1 – Record - if you lost, you are behind Parris here (Vito, Yanni, KOT, Brooks)

2 – Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage - Of the unbeatens, only Starocci, Alirez and AOC have a better bonus percentage than Parris. Brooks (67 v 64) is the only wrestler with a loss that tops Parris in percentage. None have as many pins. 

3 – Quality of Competition - Parris won 10 matches this year against the top eight finishers. There were four world champs and six world medalists at his weight.

4 – Sportsmanship - This is the most subjective, but c'mon, Parris is a nice guy to boot. 

[BigRedFan]

Possibly interesting statistic:  Yianni tweeted that of his 20 NCAA tournament wins, 15 were over All-Americans.  No idea if that is high, low, or typical.  Seems awfully high on first consideration.

[Le duke]

Only knock on him is his bonus % isn't great - 4 out of the 10 finalists have a better percentage than him.  Also not sure he wrestled the toughest competition.  Might actually give that to KOT, though he has the 2 losses.

Brooks was the only guy who beat four all Americans and one of two who beat the second, third and fourth place finishers. The other being Alirez.


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[TylerDurden]

2 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Possibly interesting statistic:  Yianni tweeted that of his 20 NCAA tournament wins, 15 were over All-Americans.  No idea if that is high, low, or typical.  Seems awfully high on first consideration.

Over his career, that's probably true. Every win in the semis and final is over another All-American (that's eight without doing anything else).

Guys you beat in the quarters have some work to do on the back side and those who he beat in the first/second rounds have to win a ton to make AA. I may take a look at this and put a list together to see who the other seven were.  

 

[Le duke]

Also:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqGNepvO3MA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=


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[TylerDurden]

18 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

Parris probably wrestled the toughest competition of all the candidates. Heavyweight was loaded with guys with world-level accomplishments and Parris beat damn near all of them this year. 

He also wrestled 33 matches this year, more than any other finalist, and had 11 pins, which leads the finalists. 

Base off of the stated criteria, the only other candidate with a case is Starocci. 

1 – Record - if you lost, you are behind Parris here (Vito, Yanni, KOT, Brooks)

2 – Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage - Of the unbeatens, only Starocci, Alirez and AOC have a better bonus percentage than Parris. Brooks (67 v 64) is the only wrestler with a loss that tops Parris in percentage. None have as many pins. 

3 – Quality of Competition - Parris won 10 matches this year against the top eight finishers. There were four world champs and six world medalists at his weight.

4 – Sportsmanship - This is the most subjective, but c'mon, Parris is a nice guy to boot. 

More context outside of my edit window:

Parris beat five All-Americans in the season:

2nd place Kervliet (three times)

3rd place Hendrickson 

4th place Cassioppi (twice)

5th place Davison (twice)

8th place Hillger (twice)

[BigRedFan]

26 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Brooks was the only guy who beat four all Americans and one of two who beat the second, third and fourth place finishers. The other being Alirez.


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Yianni beat previous AAs Demas and Sasso, and to-be-minted AAs Van Ness and Murin.

[ionel]

37 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

Parris probably wrestled the toughest competition of all the candidates. Heavyweight was loaded with guys with world-level accomplishments and Parris beat damn near all of them this year. 

He also wrestled 33 matches this year, more than any other finalist, and had 11 pins, which leads the finalists. 

Base off of the stated criteria, the only other candidate with a case is Starocci. 

1 – Record - if you lost, you are behind Parris here (Vito, Yanni, KOT, Brooks)

2 – Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage - Of the unbeatens, only Starocci, Alirez and AOC have a better bonus percentage than Parris. Brooks (67 v 64) is the only wrestler with a loss that tops Parris in percentage. None have as many pins. 

3 – Quality of Competition - Parris won 10 matches this year against the top eight finishers. There were four world champs and six world medalists at his weight.

4 – Sportsmanship - This is the most subjective, but c'mon, Parris is a nice guy to boot. 

1 – Record - if you lost, you are behind Alirez 

2 – Dominance/Bonus-Point Percentage - Of the unbeatens,  Alirez bonus percentage probably statistically equivalent to the top undefeated.

3 – Quality of Competition - Alirez beat everyone he faced, need i say more.  But most important, he beat the Million Dollar Transfer Man.

4 – Sportsmanship - This is the most subjective, but c'mon, Alirez is a nice guy to boot. 

[Formally140]

Paris is running away with the fan vote

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Formally140 said:

Paris is running away with the fan vote

Parris is not a fast runner, thus Alirez wins!  

[fishbane]

Last year there were 59 available votes.  Assuming nothing changed but there was 1 vote added (last years winner Gable Steveson) that makes for 60 votes available.  Five of those are from the fan vote, thirty are former winners, and the rest are retired coaches, national wrestling organizations (USAW?, NWCA?), and wrestling media.  What's interesting is that PSU coaches and alumni control 9 votes or 15% - Sanderson (3), Retherford (2), Taylor (2), Nickal (1), and McCoy (1).  A Michigan wrestler has never won the award, but Hodge winner Alex Dieringer is on their staff.  North Carolina alum and Hodge Winner TJ. Jaworski has a vote, but that's the only know I know of with a possible UNC bias.  Norther Colorado has no former winners in their alumni or coaching ranks.

One would think that in a close race the voting should lean in PSUs favor.  They have one of the biggest fan bases and control more votes than any other school especially the main contenders this season.

[TylerDurden]

34 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Possibly interesting statistic:  Yianni tweeted that of his 20 NCAA tournament wins, 15 were over All-Americans.  No idea if that is high, low, or typical.  Seems awfully high on first consideration.

I looked at Yanni's results and I can't find 15/20 wins against All-Americans in those years. Maybe they're counting cumulative AA honors of his opponents? So you could say of his 20 wins, his opponents earned 15 AA honors or something along those lines. 

*are AAs in the year Yanni beat them. He beat Sasso, Eierman and Murin twice each. 

2023    Demas, CP    Arrington, NCSt    Murin, Iowa*    Van Ness, PSU*    Sasso, OSU*
2022    Sherman UNC    McDougald, OU    Murin, Iowa    Sasso, OSU*    Lovett, Neb*
2019    Lipan, Rut    Red, Neb*    Demas, OU*    Eierman, Mizz*    McKenna, OSU*
2018    Zanetta, Pitt    Gil, Navy    Heil, OKSt    Eierman, Mizz*    Meredith, Wyo*

[TylerDurden]

6 minutes ago, ionel said:

Parris is not a fast runner, thus Alirez wins!  

He qualified for the Indiana HS state finals meet in the 110m Hurdles. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by TylerDurden

[ionel]

1 minute ago, TylerDurden said:

He qualified for the Indiana HS state finals in the 110m Hurdles. 

How much did he weigh then, did he go over the hurdles or through them?