Spending

[jajensen09]

https://www.on3.com/news/college-wrestling-top-25-teams-in-operating-expenses-for-2025-fiscal-year/?fbclid=IwdGRjcASKoPljbGNrBIqgwWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHrvM5gtOc2-mVoHKTIil5e1YF53sS9IyA1DUmxjIpYEDlVUfT28_Lyc7hKvQ_aem_n2FUmPoYIpKGHzS02Sb0xA

[The_KC_Godfather]

It’s crazy to me that Mizzou isn’t even in the top 25 yet they got Fugitt and Geog from the portal, and were in the running for Endene. Smith is a dang good salesman on culture…

[jajensen09]

9 minutes ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

It’s crazy to me that Mizzou isn’t even in the top 25 yet they got Fugitt and Geog from the portal, and were in the running for Endene. Smith is a dang good salesman on culture…

That is. Also spending accounted in could be holding big duals, needing a stage etc.  I don't think this is just nil

[Idaho]

20 minutes ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

It’s crazy to me that Mizzou isn’t even in the top 25 yet they got Fugitt and Geog from the portal, and were in the running for Endene. Smith is a dang good salesman on culture…

Because this is operating budgets, not NIL payments.

[MidwestMan]

What?  Mizzou not even in the top 25?  Kind of surprising considering some of the talented additions to the roster the past couple of years.

I like to read the information about the wrestlers on the roster, including why they chose Tiger Style over some other programs.  Team chemistry and belief that they can achieve their overall goals as student athletes by following the "Tiger Style" ethos are the most mentioned reasons.

Brian Smith continues to sell this Mizzou program using this philosophy and the MU wrestlers do place a lot of wrestlers on the Academic AA list.  Tough to compete against top spenders in the current NIL environment, but top 5 should be possible with current talent.  I can't see MU competitively spending on wrestling in the future while being in the SEC in the revenue sports.  FB.and BB coaches will be feeling the heat to step their programs up.  Brian Smith will never feel that heat at MU.

Damn, I need to keep playing the Powerball lottery.

[MoveCountermove]

Operating expenses are what it costs to have your program, ie operate it -  buildings, maintenance, new singlets, mats - whatever else to have a program, NOT to have each specific wrestler in the program. This is not including NIL and the “cost” of the specific athletes that are in these programs. This is the cost of each to have the equipment and stuff and staff and events they had in 2025 fiscal year.

[jajensen09]

What is also interesting.  How many of these programs end up in the green overall?? Nebraska might be close

[Mr. PeanutButter]

2 hours ago, MoveCountermove said:

Operating expenses are what it costs to have your program, ie operate it -  buildings, maintenance, new singlets, mats - whatever else to have a program, NOT to have each specific wrestler in the program. This is not including NIL and the “cost” of the specific athletes that are in these programs. This is the cost of each to have the equipment and stuff and staff and events they had in 2025 fiscal year.

Repeat one more time to be sure the folks in the back heard 

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Repeat one more time to be sure the folks in the back heard 

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Edited June 1 by ionel

[Southend]

4 hours ago, Idaho said:

Because this is operating budgets, not NIL payments.

This. Not even relevant 

[MoveCountermove]

1 hour ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Repeat one more time to be sure the folks in the back heard 

I assure you, they didn’t. This will come up again several more times both before and during the season.

Also, those in the back cannot read.

[jajensen09]

8 hours ago, MoveCountermove said:

Operating expenses are what it costs to have your program, ie operate it -  buildings, maintenance, new singlets, mats - whatever else to have a program, NOT to have each specific wrestler in the program. This is not including NIL and the “cost” of the specific athletes that are in these programs. This is the cost of each to have the equipment and stuff and staff and events they had in 2025 fiscal year.

This is important in the world we are moving to. Programs need to show they can pay for themselves.... if not....

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 hours ago, jajensen09 said:

This is important in the world we are moving to. Programs need to show they can pay for themselves.... if not....

They can't.

Every single program loses money.

[GreenandGold]

22 hours ago, MoveCountermove said:

Operating expenses are what it costs to have your program, ie operate it -  buildings, maintenance, new singlets, mats - whatever else to have a program, NOT to have each specific wrestler in the program. This is not including NIL and the “cost” of the specific athletes that are in these programs. This is the cost of each to have the equipment and stuff and staff and events they had in 2025 fiscal year.

I read it as who is spending the most on coaching. Even more interesting is how well it generally correlates to NCAA placement, except Oklahoma.

[Gene Mills Fan]

2 minutes ago, GreenandGold said:

I read it as who is spending the most on coaching. Even more interesting is how well it generally correlates to NCAA placement, except Oklahoma.

Can we make a buck if we fire all the head coaches

[MoveCountermove]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

They can't.

Every single program loses money.

This.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, MoveCountermove said:

This.

Even PSU...

[MoveCountermove]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Even PSU...

Yes. That’s what I have read and understood to have happened year on year for nearly all “non-revenue” sports for many years. It’s not new to the athletic departments, it’s understood and accepted. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, MoveCountermove said:

Yes. That’s what I have read and understood to have happened year on year for nearly all “non-revenue” sports for many years. It’s not new to the athletic departments, it’s understood and accepted. 

Yes.  On another forum, some posters were talking about how "PSU wrestling definitely makes a profit."  They were looking at expenses and tabulating some ridiculous income numbers from ticket sales and merch that didn't have any basis in reality (fee to use a facility, pay workers in the arena, purchase the gear from Nike, etc. etc.)

[MoveCountermove]

13 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Yes.  On another forum, some posters were talking about how "PSU wrestling definitely makes a profit."  They were looking at expenses and tabulating some ridiculous income numbers from ticket sales and merch that didn't have any basis in reality (fee to use a facility, pay workers in the arena, purchase the gear from Nike, etc. etc.)

Absolutely, I feel like there is a reason schools like Texas or Ohio State or U of M have such large and wealthy ADs, and it tends to be because they have historically excelled at the sports that provide revenue to their departments.
 

Stanford, for example, wins the Director’s Cup pretty much every year because they crush tons of non-revenue sports. They do not have the wealthiest/most money spent in all ADs across the country, however.

[Former158]

The key to analyzing revenue is tuition and enrollment. How many students come to these institutions and pay to either participate in wrestling or be fans of the sport. Lets say a top program like Penn State can claim that they generate 100,000 in additional net tuition revenue (minus expenses) from their athletes who are not on full scholarship and can claim 200 additional students attended Penn State due to wrestling @10,000 net revenue per student. This would add 2.1 million to their economic impact at the university each year and may very well put them in the profitability range. This and camp revenue should also be factored in.

Edited June 2 by Former158

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

16 hours ago, Former158 said:

The key to analyzing revenue is tuition and enrollment. How many students come to these institutions and pay to either participate in wrestling or be fans of the sport. Lets say a top program like Penn State can claim that they generate 100,000 in additional net tuition revenue (minus expenses) from their athletes who are not on full scholarship and can claim 200 additional students attended Penn State due to wrestling @10,000 net revenue per student. This would add 2.1 million to their economic impact at the university each year and may very well put them in the profitability range. This and camp revenue should also be factored in.

Isn't everyone on full scholarship or none now? And I think everyone at PSU has full?

[Jim L]

19 hours ago, Former158 said:

The key to analyzing revenue is tuition and enrollment. How many students come to these institutions and pay to either participate in wrestling or be fans of the sport. Lets say a top program like Penn State can claim that they generate 100,000 in additional net tuition revenue (minus expenses) from their athletes who are not on full scholarship and can claim 200 additional students attended Penn State due to wrestling @10,000 net revenue per student. This would add 2.1 million to their economic impact at the university each year and may very well put them in the profitability range. This and camp revenue should also be factored in.

I would think the number of additional students attending PSU becaude of wrestling is closer to zero than 200.

[trojanhorse]

With seeing these numbers, it puzzles a bit as to why institutions like Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, etc. do not have more sports as they have huge revenues generated from their football programs. USC and Oregon puzzle me the most being in the BIG 10 now. They would help bring more exposure on the west coast and hopefully strengthen the conference even more so than it already is.

[ionel]

1 hour ago, trojanhorse said:

With seeing these numbers, it puzzles a bit as to why institutions like Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, etc. do not have more sports as they have huge revenues generated from their football programs. USC and Oregon puzzle me the most being in the BIG 10 now. They would help bring more exposure on the west coast and hopefully strengthen the conference even more so than it already is.

Maybe because sports lose money and there's only so much money to lose.