Now Nazi tattoos are cool

[jross]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Then why did the ratio drop when it’s dark outside? Are you Polish?

The variables are not controlled to give an answer.  Bias is a suggestion and not evidence of causation.

My parents gave me a curfew and said nothing good comes after dark.  It is reasonable that a different set of cops apply that enforcement motto after dark.  You have different cops.  Different amount and race of drivers.  Different vehicles.  Different behaviors.  Etc. and so on.  

[JimmySpeaks]

20 hours ago, mspart said:

Hawaiian food, real hawaiian food is not all that great.    But what they do with the portuguese stuff and the japanese and chinese stuff is really good.  

mspart

That’s sacrilegious to SPAM. Come on man. 

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, braves121 said:

lol really showing your racist views. over policing is why you think they commit more crime when there is no evidence.

 

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Research shows that Black neighborhoods experience disproportionately high police presence, driven by racialized patrol patterns, revenue‑oriented enforcement, and structural segregation, with studies finding police spend more time in Black areas and conduct more stops even when crime rates are controlled.

Overview

Across multiple studies, over‑policing in Black neighborhoods is documented as a systemic pattern shaped by racial inequality, economic extraction, and historical segregation.

Key Findings from Research

• Disproportionate police presence: Police spend 0.36% more time in a neighborhood for each percentage‑point increase in Black residents, even after accounting for crime and socioeconomic factors. This disparity explains 57% of higher arrest rates in Black neighborhoods. MIT - Massachusetts Institute of Technology
• Boundary policing: Police activity is elevated in racial boundary zones—areas where racial demographics shift—exceeding crime levels and reflecting top‑down racialized policing practices. Cambridge University Press & Assessment
• Economic extraction (“policing for profit”): Municipalities disproportionately target Black residents with fines, fees, and traffic stops. Between 2010 and 2020, over $100 billion in fines and fees were collected nationally, heavily from low‑income Black communities. In Ferguson, fines made up nearly 20% of the city’s general fund. emeraldbook.org
• Excessive enforcement of minor violations: Millions of minor traffic stops are used as pretexts for criminal investigations, disproportionately affecting Black drivers and residents. sentencingproject.org
• Racialized lived experience: Black individuals report persistent aggressive encounters, surveillance, and disparate treatment, documented through social media, qualitative interviews, and officer testimony. Taylor & Francis Online

Chicken or the egg. 

[Offthemat]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

That’s sacrilegious to SPAM. Come on man. 

Spam - the eighth wonder of the world. 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, jross said:

Similar to how life outcomes equalize given factors outside of race, I bet the same is true here.  Highly wager rounding error to zero that nobody is getting pulled over solely because they are black.  I'm not dismissing bias... there will always be bias. 

Thanks for admitting systemic racism against blacks is still an issue.  Just because it’s not a law doesn’t mean it’s not still worse than anything whites face.  I seriously can’t believe we’re having this discussion, I thought you were supposed to be one of the smart ones.  I think DEI went too far but the reason for it was justified. Before DEI started, there was already a law against discrimination based on race in employment.  But just because there was a law against it didn’t mean it didn’t happen.   There were a few different studies proving that to be the case, one example here -

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/0002828042002561

Also, lol at just saying “equalize given factors” like it’s NBD.  The fact of the matter is blacks are more likely to come from a poor family, so they are more likely to face the bias you mention.   

Forget if it was here but in the past I’ve argued that I think a more accurate term for “white privilege” is really “black disadvantage.”  Blacks are by far at more of a disadvantage to the biases you mentioned, which by default means that whites (and yes, other races, but whites are the majority of the population) are at an advantage.

[jross]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Thanks for admitting systemic racism against blacks is still an issue.  Just because it’s not a law doesn’t mean it’s not still worse than anything whites face.  I seriously can’t believe we’re having this discussion, I thought you were supposed to be one of the smart ones.  I think DEI went too far but the reason for it was justified. Before DEI started, there was already a law against discrimination based on race in employment.  But just because there was a law against it didn’t mean it didn’t happen.   There were a few different studies proving that to be the case, one example here -

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/0002828042002561

Also, lol at just saying “equalize given factors” like it’s NBD.  The fact of the matter is blacks are more likely to come from a poor family, so they are more likely to face the bias you mention.   

Forget if it was here but in the past I’ve argued that I think a more accurate term for “white privilege” is really “black disadvantage.”  Blacks are by far at more of a disadvantage to the biases you mentioned, which by default means that whites (and yes, other races, but whites are the majority of the population) are at an advantage.

Calling my post an “admission” that “systemic racism against Blacks is still an issue” and “worse than anything whites face” is a straw-man.  

I listed multiple larger, observable factors (time of day, vehicle condition, driving behavior, clothing, demeanor, etc.) that any study has to control for before concluding race is the primary driver. You largely ignored those points.
 
Group differences in outcomes (crime involvement, family structure, poverty) are real and well-documented. Treating every such difference as proof of “structural racism against Blacks” or “White privilege” is wrong think.

 

[1032004]

30 minutes ago, jross said:

Calling my post an “admission” that “systemic racism against Blacks is still an issue” and “worse than anything whites face” is a straw-man.  

I listed multiple larger, observable factors (time of day, vehicle condition, driving behavior, clothing, demeanor, etc.) that any study has to control for before concluding race is the primary driver. You largely ignored those points.
 
Group differences in outcomes (crime involvement, family structure, poverty) are real and well-documented. Treating every such difference as proof of “structural racism against Blacks” or “White privilege” is wrong think.

 

I didn’t say you admitted that it was worse than anything whites face.  I’m saying that, and to say otherwise defies logic.

I did say you admitted there was systemic racism though.  You said:

“That data indicating that blacks as a group commit a higher crime rate is cause for bias“

Sorry bud, that’s systemic racism.  It’s not racist to say “blacks commit crime at a higher rate.”  It IS racist to then apply that as a bias to all blacks.

I also find it interesting you nitpick a research paper while simultaneously citing some random white dudes getting interviewed…and I posted another study showing that that there is still racism against blacks in hiring.

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1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

I didn’t say you admitted that it was worse than anything whites face.  I’m saying that, and to say otherwise defies logic.

I did say you admitted there was systemic racism though.  You said:

“That data indicating that blacks as a group commit a higher crime rate is cause for bias“

Sorry bud, that’s systemic racism.  It’s not racist to say “blacks commit crime at a higher rate.”  It IS racist to then apply that as a bias to all blacks.

I also find it interesting you nitpick a research paper while simultaneously citing some random white dudes getting interviewed…and I posted another study showing that that there is still racism against blacks in hiring.

Maybe stop committing tons of crime 

[1032004]

17 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Maybe stop committing tons of crime 

Stop being racist, you dumb Pole

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Stop being racist, you dumb Pole

Stop ignoring obvious rampant crime 

[ionel]

16 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Stop being racist, you dumb Pole

Be very careful my friend BobDole may be watching.   I asked AI if Bob Dole is of Polish decent and got:

While he did not have Polish heritage, Bob Dole had a strong political connection to Poland. As a U.S. Senator, he was one of the first American lawmakers to strongly support Poland's transition away from communism and its eventual accession into NATO, earning him the Polish Order of Merit in 2019. [1]

His close ties to the Polish could land you in the Zoo. 

 

 

[Scouts Honor]

On 8/20/2026 at 6:40 PM, mspart said:

Hawaiian food, real hawaiian food is not all that great.    But what they do with the portuguese stuff and the japanese and chinese stuff is really good.  

mspart

I love hawaiian except poke.. but not sure that's actually traditional.

i went to a drive in on Oahu that was supposed to be hawaiin.. it was like hot dogs and macaroni or loco moco which was a hamburger patty with gravy, just repurposed packaged foods. that was what they started eating. it was gross.

went to another place and had actual hawaiian food and it was amazing. 

[jross]

15 hours ago, 1032004 said:

“That data indicating that blacks as a group commit a higher crime rate is cause for bias“

Sorry bud, that’s systemic racism. 

No, that is not systemic racism.  Data is not racist.  Patterns observation is not racist.

The data indicates that a group of people have a higher rate of crime than other groups.  If you meet a stranger from the higher crime group and have no other information about that person, you rationally guess there is higher probably that crime might occur.  This is a statistical bias.  It is nothing like saying I dislike all people from that group, or 'they are inferior.'  You still treat them as individuals when you learn more about them.  The bias (statistical tilt) only affects the starting assumption when info is limited.

Look up the word bias ... it isn't just prejudice.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bias.  Look up the definition of systemic racism.  The shoe does not fit.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/systemic racism

Feel free to disagree but you must redefine words and cheat context to refute...

Edited August 22 by jross
bad with words

[jross]

15 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I also find it interesting you nitpick a research paper while simultaneously citing some random white dudes getting interviewed…

Continue.  What is interesting about it.

I find it interesting that a white dude like yourself ignores the rampant stories, examples, and data that support white people are discriminated more than "a little."

That is fact.  It doesn't need to be dismissed or diminished by trying to squash it in comparison to historic discrimination against other races.

 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, jross said:

No, that is not systemic racism.  Data is not racist.  Patterns observation is not racist.

The data indicates that a group of people have a higher rate of crime than other groups.  If you meet a stranger from the higher crime group and have no other information about that person, you rationally guess there is higher probably that crime might occur.  This is a statistical bias.  It is nothing like saying I dislike all people from that group, or 'they are inferior.'  You still treat them as individuals when you learn more about them.  The bias (statistical tilt) only affects the starting assumption when info is limited.

Look up the word bias ... it isn't just prejudice.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bias.  Look up the definition of systemic racism.  The shoe does not fit.  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/systemic racism

Feel free to disagree but you must redefine words and cheat context to refute...

Interesting that you only chose to share a link to M-W’s definition of “systemic racism,” but not simply racism.

Here is racism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

And one of the definitions:

b: behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : discrimination, prejudice, or violence against people because of their race

 

And here are TWO of the definitions of bias via your link:

a: an inclination of temperament or outlook

especially  : a personal and sometimes unreasoned judgment : PREJUDICE

 

b: an instance of such prejudice

No redefining words here.  Seeing a black person and then guessing there is a higher probability a crime might occur is racism.  It may not be intentional, or even conscious, but it’s still racism.  And many people feel that way, making it systemic.

[1032004]

58 minutes ago, jross said:

Continue.  What is interesting about it.

I find it interesting that a white dude like yourself ignores the rampant stories, examples, and data that support white people are discriminated more than "a little."

That is fact.  It doesn't need to be dismissed or diminished by trying to squash it in comparison to historic discrimination against other races.

 

Yes, DEI caused some white people to not get jobs or promotions. But it’s just funny to me that there’s more outrage over that than the fact that racism in hiring is what created the need for DEI in the first place.  You posted an article about one industry, there are many industries (and of course, the world) that are still dominated by white males.

A “historic” comparison doesn’t necessarily need to be made, but I think  a present day one does.  Often times it seems the same people saying things like “racism isn’t a major problem in this country anymore” and “we needed to end DEI because it’s racist against white males” are the same people.  This is a clear implication that those people actually think that racism today is currently worse against white males than against blacks.  Which is just flat out laughable.   Again, not sure if you’re one of those, but @Bigbrog appears to be.

[Caveira]

15 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Yes, DEI caused some white people to not get jobs or promotions. But it’s just funny to me that there’s more outrage over that than the fact that racism in hiring is what created the need for DEI in the first place.  You posted an article about one industry, there are many industries (and of course, the world) that are still dominated by white males.

A “historic” comparison doesn’t necessarily need to be made, but I think  a present day one does.  Often times it seems the same people saying things like “racism isn’t a major problem in this country anymore” and “we needed to end DEI because it’s racist against white males” are the same people.  This is a clear implication that those people actually think that racism today is currently worse against white males than against blacks.  Which is just flat out laughable.   Again, not sure if you’re one of those, but @Bigbrog appears to be.

Any time someone who is less qualified gets the job or promotion because of race — is racism.  

Edited August 22 by Caveira

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Any time someone who is less qualified gets the job or promotion because of race — is racism.  

Do you think racism against whites is worse than against blacks in the US currently?

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Do you think racism against whites is worse than against blacks in the US currently?

I said what I said.  You can read it again if you like 

[1032004]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I said what I said.  You can read it again if you like 

I agree with what you said.  Was asking a follow up question.

[Caveira]

Just now, 1032004 said:

I agree with what you said.  Was asking a follow up question.

I don’t care to play reindeer games games with you at the moment 

[Bigbrog]

3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Yes, DEI caused some white people to not get jobs or promotions. But it’s just funny to me that there’s more outrage over that than the fact that racism in hiring is what created the need for DEI in the first place.  You posted an article about one industry, there are many industries (and of course, the world) that are still dominated by white males.

A “historic” comparison doesn’t necessarily need to be made, but I think  a present day one does.  Often times it seems the same people saying things like “racism isn’t a major problem in this country anymore” and “we needed to end DEI because it’s racist against white males” are the same people.  This is a clear implication that those people actually think that racism today is currently worse against white males than against blacks.  Which is just flat out laughable.   Again, not sure if you’re one of those, but @Bigbrog appears to be.

WTF are you talking about??  I have never ever even come close to saying that or even infering it. You are an f'ing immature lying POS troll. 

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7 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Yes, DEI caused some white people to not get jobs or promotions. But it’s just funny to me that there’s more outrage over that than the fact that racism in hiring is what created the need for DEI in the first place.  You posted an article about one industry, there are many industries (and of course, the world) that are still dominated by white males.

A “historic” comparison doesn’t necessarily need to be made, but I think  a present day one does.  Often times it seems the same people saying things like “racism isn’t a major problem in this country anymore” and “we needed to end DEI because it’s racist against white males” are the same people.  This is a clear implication that those people actually think that racism today is currently worse against white males than against blacks.  Which is just flat out laughable.   Again, not sure if you’re one of those, but @Bigbrog appears to be.

racism caused people to not be qualified?

please tell us about the qualifications of the professor who killed himself when it was revealed he was a fraud.

and the people who are attacking the ones who uncovered the fraud.

 

it's very much like the same fraud all over the country.. the problem is the people exposing it, not the actual fraud.

 

[Scouts Honor]

7 hours ago, 1032004 said:

 

A “historic” comparison doesn’t necessarily need to be made, but I think  a present day one does.  Often times it seems the same people saying things like “racism isn’t a major problem in this country anymore” and “we needed to end DEI because it’s racist against white males” are the same people. , but @Bigbrog appears to be.

it seems...

 

[Scouts Honor]

6 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Do you think racism against whites is worse than against blacks in the US currently?

not sure?

does it matter?

two wrongs make a right?

i mean thats where we are going right now...

well blacks have been oppressed, so they should be able to stab

muslims have been oppressed by their own countries so they should be able to rape and maim and kidnap

 

how long until whites can be justified for being radicalized against their own marginilization?