Ds on crime

[fishbane]

On 4/23/2026 at 9:17 AM, Offthemat said:

 

This happened 7 years ago.  How is it applicable to the topic of the thread? "Ds on crime" This happened in Appleton, WI.  This is town with a Republican Mayor located in a congressional district with a Republican House Rep in a state with a Republican Governor.  The country even had a Republican president at this time.

If this is in reference to the bail reduction that allowed him to be released in Fond du Lac County, that county has voted red for decades.  The county leadership is entirely Republican.  The district Attorney is a Republican and has been in office since 2012.

Not every failure of the criminal justice system or re-offense can be blamed on the other party.  How do you guys find these odd ball stories on twitter where events that happened 5+ years ago are presented as news? 

[braves121]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

This happened 7 years ago.  How is it applicable to the topic of the thread? "Ds on crime" This happened in Appleton, WI.  This is town with a Republican Mayor located in a congressional district with a Republican House Rep in a state with a Republican Governor.  The country even had a Republican president at this time.

If this is in reference to the bail reduction that allowed him to be released in Fond du Lac County, that county has voted red for decades.  The county leadership is entirely Republican.  The district Attorney is a Republican and has been in office since 2012.

Not every failure of the criminal justice system or re-offense can be blamed on the other party.  How do you guys find these odd ball stories on twitter where events that happened 5+ years ago are presented as news? 

Their twitter algorithm feeds them this to upset them and then they interact with it as word of the gospel and the loop goes on and on and on

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, braves121 said:

Their twitter algorithm feeds them this to upset them and then they interact with it as word of the gospel and the loop goes on and on and on

 

 

[Offthemat]

14 minutes ago, fishbane said:

This happened 7 years ago.  How is it applicable to the topic of the thread? "Ds on crime" This happened in Appleton, WI.  This is town with a Republican Mayor located in a congressional district with a Republican House Rep in a state with a Republican Governor.  The country even had a Republican president at this time.

If this is in reference to the bail reduction that allowed him to be released in Fond du Lac County, that county has voted red for decades.  The county leadership is entirely Republican.  The district Attorney is a Republican and has been in office since 2012.

Not every failure of the criminal justice system or re-offense can be blamed on the other party.  How do you guys find these odd ball stories on twitter where events that happened 5+ years ago are presented as news? 

Keep reading 

 

[braves121]

9 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

 

Alright so this guy was allowed legally into the US and committed crimes later, and has been arrested. Seems like justice is being done. 

[fishbane]

9 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Keep reading 

 

I see that.  It's still really odd.  These kinds of mistakes can happen in places run by either Democrats or Republicans.  If the the premise of the thread is true and they happen much more frequently in blue areas of the country then there should be no reason Newsmax host to dig up a seven year old story from a red town.  Isn't this guy's stated goal to "wake up as many people to the lies of the Democrat party and nonstop manipulation of the mainstream media"?  Do you feel these kinds of tweets are doing that?  Or is he just attempting to manipulate you in a different direction?

[Offthemat]

3 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I see that.  It's still really odd.  These kinds of mistakes can happen in places run by either Democrats or Republicans.  If the the premise of the thread is true and they happen much more frequently in blue areas of the country then there should be no reason Newsmax host to dig up a seven year old story from a red town.  Isn't this guy's stated goal to "wake up as many people to the lies of the Democrat party and nonstop manipulation of the mainstream media"?  Do you feel these kinds of tweets are doing that?  Or is he just attempting to manipulate you in a different direction?

You can take it however you like, but I tend to look at it, as I think it was mentioned somewhere in there, that the asinine idea of defunding the police and sending social workers out to do police work is a mistake. 

[fishbane]

8 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You can take it however you like, but I tend to look at it, as I think it was mentioned somewhere in there, that the asinine idea of defunding the police and sending social workers out to do police work is a mistake. 

To me the tweet was about the mainstream media coverage, but if you search google for Ruben Houston Appleton WI you will find stories from 2019 from local Fox, NBC, and ABC affiliates.  Not every murder is going to make national headlines.  Harris bringing it up the way he did 7 years later is probably more manipulative than the original mainstream coverage.  If you like the way he manipulates you then continue to follow him.

I don't really see how that particular story ties in with defund the police or how social workers should be used in law enforcement.  Did Fond Du Lac County send social workers to arrest Houston?  Was it the social workers that missed the spelling change to his surname?  Huston -> Houston.  Or are you saying that Appleton sending firefighters/EMTs to administer NARCAN to a passed out man on the bus was asinine? Police should arrest passed out bus riders before any medical aid is rendered.

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, fishbane said:

To me the tweet was about the mainstream media coverage, but if you search google for Ruben Houston Appleton WI you will find stories from 2019 from local Fox, NBC, and ABC affiliates.  Not every murder is going to make national headlines.  Harris bringing it up the way he did 7 years later is probably more manipulative than the original mainstream coverage.  If you like the way he manipulates you then continue to follow him.

I don't really see how that particular story ties in with defund the police or how social workers should be used in law enforcement.  Did Fond Du Lac County send social workers to arrest Houston?  Was it the social workers that missed the spelling change to his surname?  Huston -> Houston.  Or are you saying that Appleton sending firefighters/EMTs to administer NARCAN to a passed out man on the bus was asinine? Police should arrest passed out bus riders before any medical aid is rendered.

You can spin your head off speculating on the what ifs and motives but most policemen are trained and adept at recognizing concealed weapons and dealing with unruly people.  

[fishbane]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You can spin your head off speculating on the what ifs and motives but most policemen are trained and adept at recognizing concealed weapons and dealing with unruly people.  

It's like we are having two different conversations here.  The story was a guy passed out on a bus.  He was not unruly.  He was passed out.  He was very easy to control when he was passed out, but they were trying to save his life.  A firefighter revived him.  It was some 11+ minutes after he was revived that police recognized he had a concealed weapon.  Police were talking to him the entire time - 11+ minutes.  There were at least three of them on scene. 

How are you tying this into Democrats defunding police and replacing them with social workers? It was in a town, county, congressional district, state, country run by Republicans. It was a call for a medial help with three police officers on scene and 0 social workers.  Stop being manipulated by fake news on twitter.

[Scouts Honor]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

I see that.  It's still really odd.  These kinds of mistakes can happen in places run by either Democrats or Republicans.  If the the premise of the thread is true and they happen much more frequently in blue areas of the country then there should be no reason Newsmax host to dig up a seven year old story from a red town.  Isn't this guy's stated goal to "wake up as many people to the lies of the Democrat party and nonstop manipulation of the mainstream media"?  Do you feel these kinds of tweets are doing that?  Or is he just attempting to manipulate you in a different direction?

there sure seem to be a lot of mistakes

[Offthemat]

45 minutes ago, fishbane said:

It's like we are having two different conversations here.  The story was a guy passed out on a bus.  He was not unruly.  He was passed out.  He was very easy to control when he was passed out, but they were trying to save his life.  A firefighter revived him.  It was some 11+ minutes after he was revived that police recognized he had a concealed weapon.  Police were talking to him the entire time - 11+ minutes.  There were at least three of them on scene. 

How are you tying this into Democrats defunding police and replacing them with social workers? It was in a town, county, congressional district, state, country run by Republicans. It was a call for a medial help with three police officers on scene and 0 social workers.  Stop being manipulated by fake news on twitter.

That’s because I didn’t say the things you want to argue about.  

[Scouts Honor]

as far as either side allowing recidivism etc

 

[fishbane]

3 hours ago, Offthemat said:

That’s because I didn’t say the things you want to argue about.  

You said “I think it was mentioned somewhere in there, that the asinine idea of defunding the police and sending social workers out to do police work is a mistake.”  
 

That wasn’t mentioned and couldn’t be a takeaway from the story you posted about the firefighter shot in Wisconsin.  That took place in 2019 almost a year before George Floyd was killed and the defund the police movement took off. Police were not defunded.  Social workers were not involved.

“most policemen are trained and adept at recognizing concealed weapons and dealing with unruly people.”

The police in the story you posted took 10+ minutes to recognize the concealed weapon and the man only became unruly when they attempted to deal with it.

[Offthemat]

9 hours ago, fishbane said:

That wasn’t mentioned and couldn’t be a takeaway from the story you posted about the firefighter shot in Wisconsin.  That took place in 2019 almost a year before George Floyd was killed and the defund the police movement took off. Police were not defunded.  Social workers were not involved.

How old were you the first time you heard a dimocrax say “defund the police?”

 

9 hours ago, fishbane said:

The police in the story you posted took 10+ minutes to recognize the concealed weapon and the man only became unruly when they attempted to deal with it.

I didn’t see the body cam, but maybe they aren’t very good. 

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

How old were you the first time you heard a dimocrax say “defund the police?”

 

I didn’t see the body cam, but maybe they aren’t very good. 

I remember it in the 1990s during Rodney king.    Google says it was discussed as early as the 1960s

[Offthemat]

30 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I remember it in the 1990s during Rodney king.    Google says it was discussed as early as the 1960s

At least.  

[fishbane]

7 hours ago, Offthemat said:

How old were you the first time you heard a dimocrax say “defund the police?”

I don't recall hearing it before the George Floyd protests.  Certainly some Democrat politicians have been tough on crime like Clinton in the 1990s.  Some have been less tough.  

7 hours ago, Caveira said:

I remember it in the 1990s during Rodney king.    Google says it was discussed as early as the 1960s

I don't remember that phrase being widely used around the Rodney King riots.  Google Gemini says "The 1991 police beating of Rodney King and the subsequent 1992 LA riots, sparked by the acquittal of the officers involved, serve as a foundational, historical catalyst for modern movements to 'defund the police'."  It doesn't say anything about the phrase being used widely at the time.

All this is sort of irrelevant to Offthemat's example from Wisconsin.  Republicans were in control of the funding at that time.  The defund the police movement was a year away.  If anything it is an example that shows fully funded police get things wrong.

7 hours ago, Offthemat said:

I didn’t see the body cam, but maybe they aren’t very good. 

You can see the extended body cam video at the link below.  Two cops were talking to him for over 2 minutes before the shooting started.  No one else was interacting with the man at that time.

https://www.postcrescent.com/videos/news/2019/06/14/appleton-shooting-extended-clip-incident/1453248001/

[Caveira]

15 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I don't recall hearing it before the George Floyd protests.  Certainly some Democrat politicians have been tough on crime like Clinton in the 1990s.  Some have been less tough.  

I don't remember that phrase being widely used around the Rodney King riots.  Google Gemini says "The 1991 police beating of Rodney King and the subsequent 1992 LA riots, sparked by the acquittal of the officers involved, serve as a foundational, historical catalyst for modern movements to 'defund the police'."  It doesn't say anything about the phrase being used widely at the time.

All this is sort of irrelevant to Offthemat's example from Wisconsin.  Republicans were in control of the funding at that time.  The defund the police movement was a year away.  If anything it is an example that shows fully funded police get things wrong.

You can see the extended body cam video at the link below.  Two cops were talking to him for over 2 minutes before the shooting started.  No one else was interacting with the man at that time.

https://www.postcrescent.com/videos/news/2019/06/14/appleton-shooting-extended-clip-incident/1453248001/

In a 1992 interview following the L.A. Riots, Angela Davis articulated the core philosophy behind what is now called "defunding":

"We have to begin to talk about abolishing the police as we know them and creating different ways of responding to the needs of people. We need to divert the resources that are currently being used to fund the police into schools, into jobs, into housing." 
 

Converting police into houses free or otherwise helps with crime how?

[mspart]

20 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I don't recall hearing it before the George Floyd protests.  Certainly some Democrat politicians have been tough on crime like Clinton in the 1990s.  Some have been less tough.  

I don't remember that phrase being widely used around the Rodney King riots.  Google Gemini says "The 1991 police beating of Rodney King and the subsequent 1992 LA riots, sparked by the acquittal of the officers involved, serve as a foundational, historical catalyst for modern movements to 'defund the police'."  It doesn't say anything about the phrase being used widely at the time.

All this is sort of irrelevant to Offthemat's example from Wisconsin.  Republicans were in control of the funding at that time.  The defund the police movement was a year away.  If anything it is an example that shows fully funded police get things wrong.

You can see the extended body cam video at the link below.  Two cops were talking to him for over 2 minutes before the shooting started.  No one else was interacting with the man at that time.

https://www.postcrescent.com/videos/news/2019/06/14/appleton-shooting-extended-clip-incident/1453248001/

Why did he run away and why did he have a gun on him?  It looked to me like he pulled out a gun and they did not show his hand but the shadow looked like a gun when he was on the ground.   Perhaps pulling out a gun is why the shooting started.  

mspart

[fishbane]

29 minutes ago, mspart said:

Why did he run away and why did he have a gun on him?  It looked to me like he pulled out a gun and they did not show his hand but the shadow looked like a gun when he was on the ground.   Perhaps pulling out a gun is why the shooting started.  

mspart

Yeah he pulled a gun and fired first.  I don't think anyone is as saying the police acted inappropriately.  Even the man's widow came out and said the police were right to shoot him after the body cam was released.

The police had wanted to pat him down and check him for weapons some 10 minutes before the shooting started.  They said they needed to do that before the ambulance would transport him.  I don't know that the police had any suspicion that he had a weapon they just made it sound like this was a routine thing.  That is a little surprising to me but I've never been transported in an ambulance before. Still I feel like people get transported on ambulances without being checked for weapons.

Anyway he didn't want to go in the ambulance and didn't want the cops to pat him down.  I am sure he knew he had the weapon and knew that getting patted down would result in him being arrested. That would put him in jail for days, weeks, months, or years in jail if they discovered his previous criminal history.

I think he was telling the truth that his wife was in the hospital.  He probably had some motivation to visit her.  When the police notice the bulge that turned out to be a firearm he wasn't going to make it.

[fishbane]

50 minutes ago, Caveira said:

In a 1992 interview following the L.A. Riots, Angela Davis articulated the core philosophy behind what is now called "defunding":

"We have to begin to talk about abolishing the police as we know them and creating different ways of responding to the needs of people. We need to divert the resources that are currently being used to fund the police into schools, into jobs, into housing." 
 

Converting police into houses free or otherwise helps with crime how?

Was Angela Davis a elected official in Appleton, WI where this occured?  

One person saying that 27 years ago thousands of miles away had no impact on what happned.

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Was Angela Davis a elected official in Appleton, WI where this occured?  

One person saying that 27 years ago thousands of miles away had no impact on what happned.

Where left elected officials get their ideas from?   Maybe you can tell me?

[Caveira]

Would you consider this vote tough or soft on crime.   I mean exposing yourself to minors.  Meh.   We shouldn’t waste our time on prosecuting them right ?

@1032004 are you cool with adults exposing themselves to kids ?

 

 

[Offthemat]

13 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Would you consider this vote tough or soft on crime.   I mean exposing yourself to minors.  Meh.   We shouldn’t waste our time on prosecuting them right ?

@1032004 are you cool with adults exposing themselves to kids ?

 

 

It passed, and will definitely impact drag shows and trans gender performers and any other people who break the law.