Ds on crime

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

I didn’t credit the AG for causing the reduction in crime.  I also was not quoting statistics for any other crimes.  Just pointing out that prosecuting serious crimes are not the responsibility of the AG. So crediting them for the reduction in murder numbers is illogical.

When the numbers are manipulated there should be one receiving any credit.  

[fishbane]

39 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

When the numbers are manipulated there should be one receiving any credit.  

And who is that one?

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

And who is that one?

No 

[Caveira]

It’s hard to be tough on crime when your men are this tough 

 

 

[fishbane]

4 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

No 

I wasn't giving credit to anyone.  The person crediting the new AG was someone on twitter.  Scouts honor had reposted the tweet in this thread for some reason.

[Caveira]

24 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I wasn't giving credit to anyone.  The person crediting the new AG was someone on twitter.  Scouts honor had reposted the tweet in this thread for some reason.

In Washington, D.C., adult murder cases are prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, a federal agency, rather than the local Attorney General. 

 

Because D.C. is a federal district, it has a unique legal structure where the federal government handles serious crimes that would normally be prosecuted by a local District Attorney or State's Attorney in other parts of the country

 

The current U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, who handles adult murder cases, is 

Jeanine Pirro

. She is a Republican. 

she replaced 

 

Matthew M. Graves

(Democrat):Served from November 2021 until January 16, 2025.

 

Now this is where it gets good 

 

Matthew Graves

 was frequently criticized as being "soft on crime" by Republican lawmakers, police advocates, and conservative groups during his tenure as U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. 

 

The "soft on crime" label was primarily driven by his office’s historically high rate of declining to prosecute arrests: 

• Prosecution Rates: In fiscal year 2022, Graves' office declined to prosecute 67% of all adult arrests, a ten-year high

guess who appointed him.  Biden.  Shocking 

Edited April 19 by Caveira

[JimmySpeaks]

31 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I wasn't giving credit to anyone.  The person crediting the new AG was someone on twitter.  Scouts honor had reposted the tweet in this thread for some reason.

So are Dems soft on crime or not? 

[fishbane]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

 

In Washington, D.C., adult murder cases are prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, a federal agency, rather than the local Attorney General. 

 

Because D.C. is a federal district, it has a unique legal structure where the federal government handles serious crimes that would normally be prosecuted by a local District Attorney or State's Attorney in other parts of the country

 

The current U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, who handles adult murder cases, is 

Jeanine Pirro

. She is a Republican. 

she replaced 

 

Matthew M. Graves

(Democrat):Served from November 2021 until January 16, 2025.

 

Now this is where it gets good 

 

 

Matthew Graves

 was frequently criticized as being "soft on crime" by Republican lawmakers, police advocates, and conservative groups during his tenure as U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. 

 

The "soft on crime" label was primarily driven by his office’s historically high rate of declining to prosecute arrests: 

• Prosecution Rates: In fiscal year 2022, Graves' office declined to prosecute 67% of all adult arrests, a ten-year high

The tweet Scouts Honor posted credited a “radical district attorney” voters replaced in 2022 with one more serious about crime for the decrease in murders.  The official you mentioned is not in an elected office that could be replaced by voters.  

In 2022 there was an election for the Attorney General of the District of Columbia.  This has not always been an elected position and very recently changed.  The incumbent Democrat Karl Racine, the first elected AG in DC, did not run for re-election.  DC voters that are overwhelmingly Democrat voted for Democrat Brian Schwab to replace him.

One problem with Scouts Honors post is that he posted a tweet crediting a Democrat with reducing the murder rate at the same time as blaming liberals.  Another problem with it is that the elected official that change in 2022-2023 is not responsible for prosecuting serious crimes.  That gets done by the US Attorney for the District of Columbia.  That is the position you wrote about and that did not change in 2022-2023.

[Scouts Honor]

 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

The tweet Scouts Honor posted credited a “radical district attorney” voters replaced in 2022 with one more serious about crime for the decrease in murders.  The official you mentioned is not in an elected office that could be replaced by voters.  

In 2022 there was an election for the Attorney General of the District of Columbia.  This has not always been an elected position and very recently changed.  The incumbent Democrat Karl Racine, the first elected AG in DC, did not run for re-election.  DC voters that are overwhelmingly Democrat voted for Democrat Brian Schwab to replace him.

One problem with Scouts Honors post is that he posted a tweet crediting a Democrat with reducing the murder rate at the same time as blaming liberals.  Another problem with it is that the elected official that change in 2022-2023 is not responsible for prosecuting serious crimes.  That gets done by the US Attorney for the District of Columbia.  That is the position you wrote about and that did not change in 2022-2023.

You care a lot about this tweet.  I don’t.  
 

I posted what I found.  The us attorney appointed by the president prosecutes serious crime in dc.  Biden’s decorated typically weak on crime let 2/3 of adult serious crime walk and didn’t prosecute them.   The new one doesn’t.  
 

sounds simple to me.  

Edited April 19 by Caveira

[fishbane]

48 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You care a lot about this tweet.  I don’t.  
 

I posted what I found.  The us attorney appointed by the president prosecutes serious crime in dc.  Biden’s decorated typically weak on crime let 2/3 of adult serious crime walk and didn’t prosecute them.   The new one doesn’t.  
 

sounds simple to me.  

As you know a few people have a habit of reposting nonsense, misleading, incorrect tweets in this forum.

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, fishbane said:

As you know a few people have a habit of reposting nonsense, misleading, incorrect tweets in this forum.

And yall see to ignore the 90-95% true posts waiting to be all morally indignant about the 5-10% that slip through. 
 

why did Biden’s us attorney not prosecute 67% of adult violent crimes?   Why did he decline the national guard when mayor bowser’s requested the guard in ~2021.    Why did the left freak out when Trump brought the guard and helped the police department get the violence out of the city? 

[Caveira]

4 hours ago, fishbane said:

As you know a few people have a habit of reposting nonsense, misleading, incorrect tweets in this forum.

These are the Ds weak on crime 

 

 

[fishbane]

10 hours ago, Caveira said:

These are the Ds weak on crime 

Are you sure about that?  The gentleman in this video is talking to legislators in a hearing in the state legislature of North Carolina.  His daughter was murdered by a man whilst visiting friends in South Carolina.  That man had an extensive rap sheet featuring a long list of crimes committed in South Carolina.  If politicians or weak Ds had any culpability in dropping charges or giving plea deals that allowed him to be free and commit this murder they are located in South Carolina not North Carolina.  I am sure to you this difference amounts to splitting hairs, but it is significant.

The father only mentioned one politician by name in that speech, Byron Gipson, the prosecutor for the 5th circuit in South Carolina.  He is a Democrat one of only three judicial circuits in the state with a Democrat as Solicitor.  The father wants Gipson to pursue the death penalty and Gipson has yet to decide.  Even if life in prison is ultimately the sentence pursued it is still possible to be tough on crime and protect the public without a death penalty.  The real failure here happened in all the prosecutions  of Alexander Dickey before this.

The last felony prosecution of Dickey wasn’t by Gipson’s office in the 5th circuit but by 11th Circuit led by solicitor Rick Hubbard.  Hubbard like most solicitors in SC is a Republican.  In addition to the charges he currently faces in the 5th (Gipson’s) circuit related to the murder he is also facing 23 charges in Lexington county located in the 11th (Hubbard’s) circuit including arson, burglary, larceny and banking crimes.  His last felony prosecution was in the 5th circuit (Hubbard’s) was for 2nd degree burglary in 2023.  It carried a max penalty of 10 years in prison.  Hubbard’s office allowed him to plea to 3rd degree burglary with a max penalty of 5 years.  The judge gave him 5 years, but suspended the bulk of it allowing him to be released after about 1.2 years with probation to follow.

After the murder Hubbard said that they allowed the 2023 plea deal because two earlier burglaries did not show up in Dickey’s  criminal history so they prosecuted it as a first time offense for that charge.  He didn’t mention whether or not all the other charges for other offenses were present.  I assume at least some of them were.

I could understand you saying this case is an example of Rs being weak on crime or Rs being incompetent or law enforcement being incompetent, or the system being broken by not showing his full history, but saying Ds are weak on crime seems like a stretch.  Between 2013 and the murder Dickey and only been arrested 1 time in the 5th circuit lead by Gipson.  It would be odd to call out Ds for how that one arrest was prosecuted when Rs had 20+ opportunities to be tough on him before this.

To me both parties would share responsibility here along with law enforcement.  

[fishbane]

15 hours ago, Caveira said:

And yall see to ignore the 90-95% true posts waiting to be all morally indignant about the 5-10% that slip through. 

Morally indignant?  Aren’t you the one who started that thread about how everyone doesn’t hate the media enough?  Where is all that hate and indignation for these people posted inaccurate misleading and slanted nonsense on twitter?  Are you sure you hate them enough?
 

15 hours ago, Caveira said:

why did Biden’s us attorney not prosecute 67% of adult violent crimes?   Why did he decline the national guard when mayor bowser’s requested the guard in ~2021.    Why did the left freak out when Trump brought the guard and helped the police department get the violence out of the city? 

It will be too much work to look though all the DC crimes prosecuted under Biden’s US Attorneys see why charges weren’t pursued.  I am sure some would have been dropped for reasons other than being weak on crime either there wasn’t enough evidence to get a conviction, or they had been overcharged, or some subset of them were dropped to secure guilty pleas to other charges.  The more important thing to look at might be how the number compares to the % not prosecuted from 2017-2020.

Pirro perhaps has been tougher on crime, but maybe has gone too far the other direction.  She had received an unprecedented number of no true-bills (decline to indict) by grand juries in DC since taking office.  It is possible both her and her predecessor have missed the mark and the sweet spot is somewhere between the two approaches.

Did Biden decline the national guard in 2021?  What I could find said Biwser requested the national guard around New Year’s Eve 2020 and January 5-7th 2021 for the inauguration/protests/riots.  The request was denied, but wasn’t Trump the president at that time?  I think Dac resident were less pleased with the 2025 deployment because they had not requested it obviously.

Edited April 20 by fishbane

[Scouts Honor]

do people on twitter claim, as the MSM does, to be non partisan.

'we don't pick a side'

start there.

[Caveira]

Burning cars and letting them do it is.   
 

A) tough on crime 

b) soft on crime 

c) bonkers level incompetent to govern a big city

 

[Scouts Honor]

seems like it's time to MAKE opportunities

if they spent as much time making themselves into something as they do messing everything up for others..

they might be somewhere

[Caveira]

27 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

seems like it's time to MAKE opportunities

if they spent as much time making themselves into something as they do messing everything up for others..

they might be somewhere

Every weekend and every day they they have off of school they do this 

[mspart]

For every instance of Ds being tough on crime, there are hundreds of instances where they are soft on crime.   Crime meaning, murder, theft, arson, assault, defacing property, carjacking, home invasion burglary, etc.   Why are illegal criminals allowed to walk the streets after being caught doing one of the above.   Because leftists don't want them deported.   So what is it their actions are telling us?   They want the criminals among us doing more crime.   If that is not how they feel, then stop letting them go and not telling ICE to come get them.   That is one way Ds could prove they are tough on crime.   Not the only way, but one way. 

mspart 

[Scouts Honor]

 

[Offthemat]

 

[Caveira]

Mass social worker who replaces actual cops stabbed trying to deescalate a situation calls the actual cops after getting stabbed 

who saw that coming lol 

 

 

 

 

[braves121]

13 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Mass social worker who replaces actual cops stabbed trying to deescalate a situation calls the actual cops after getting stabbed 

who saw that coming lol 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever considered running for office or getting a government position or organizing to actually change these things that you spend so much of your day posting? You are very passionate harping against anything the left try’s so why don’t you fix it?

[mspart]

Soft on crime creates more crime.   

How?    Perps walk to do more crime.   Others are less inhibited to do crime.   

Hard on crime reduces crime.   

How?   Perps don't get let out in the streets, they are locked up.   Others stay inhibited because they don't want to be in the pokey. 

What do we want, perps walking around or perps not walking around?

mspart