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I haven't gotten to listen to Basch and Willie yet, but apparently PSU is out. WTF is Bill Bassett doing right now?

If the stories are true, this. I mean this in addition to the actual legal and NCAA penalties. Again, if true, I want folks to realize that these guys are just really good at wrestling, but the "we're a bunch of good natured dweebs" stuff is a front.

and pretty sure the Baylor football coach didn't know what was going on and it took down the president as well who clearly wasn't in the loop. There's a range of behavior from protecting to ignoring to knowing nothing that is not acceptable.

Welcome back TBarr!

I think that’s what got JRob fired.

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If that were me at my job, I would be fired.

Not sure about any of it, but I do know quite often allegations jump from one person to another so many times that the story no longer remotely matches what the first person had to say. It’s now in the hands of law enforcement and they will get to the bottom of it.

Exactly. Wingers will change the subject (to policy) when they are losing the science debate.

Gotcha. I misread you. i totally agree that remaining anonymous is rational and perhaps the best course of action.

The NIL deals outside of the school's revenue sharing are the exact ones that need to be approved by the Deloitte NIL clearinghouse. School revenue sharing does not have to be approved. School collectives are treated the same as the former.

I was too. Were Starocci to mention someone who mentions to someone who mentions to someone... who is to say who is safe in that scenario? I was defending them remaining anonymous. That said, as you also said - he (Starocci) knows what he did to who and when. They aren't going to be anonymous were Starocci to want to take an aggressive, retaliatory approach.

I don't think the coaching staff would have simply stood by and allowed any wrestler to act however they wanted and plausible deniability might not even be a factor here. It’s possible Bartlett brought something up - maybe hinting at events without stating them outright - and wasn’t explicitly shut down, but may have felt shut down. Speaking up against a teammate, especially someone considered a brother by most of your closest friends (and by you, at one point), might require more than just courage to fully follow through. This isn’t a defense of anyone’s actions - just an attempt to suggest how things might have played out. It’s ambiguous for a reason: I imagine it was just as ambiguous in the moment, especially to those in authority.

"If" ... you think all of this could be made up or just thinking the sauna could be true but she was lying about being 17?

we are talking past each other I'm not talking about retaliation against CStar. The article wasn't either I was talking about the fear of retaliation against the alleged victims if they chose to go public. I think it would be egomaniacal (of Cstar or his proxies) to think that the alleged victims fear CStar's retaliation.

Just reading some of these allegations again just blows my mind. I can’t get my head around it as truth. If any of this is true then the hammer must drop on all involved, and quickly too.

Yep.

What about Bo Knows NetJets? All his problems solved.

This really sucks for our sport, it truly does.

We as a community should fear indifference to bad, evil, or incompetence just as much - if not more - than the acts themselves. Bad is bad. Evil is evil. Incompetence is incompetence. Once a certain line is crossed, it’s unacceptable by any standard. Letting a wrestler stick their thumb up a training partner’s keester is simply bad. Grooming underage people - regardless of gender - is unequivocally evil. Failing to follow proper procedures to ensure a thorough investigation is the definition of incompetence. To act as if these things are not bad, evil, or incompetent is just as damaging as committing the act itself, because you are verbally excusing the acts. Words have value, and so does our courage to call out what’s truly wrong. Yes, there’s a legal process that must play out to determine guilt. But even before that, defending any of these actions - or trying to claim they aren’t evil, bad, or incompetent - is phucking abhorrent.

well said

Athletes can still get NIL deals outside of the school collective... "Bo Knows Used Cars of Nebraska" could still happen out side of any school payment. Since most wrestling programs won't really share in that pot of money from their school, they will have to depend on what they have already been depending on- outside NIL deals from donors.

This part here? He doesn't need to be the one to personally retaliate for his words to have serious consequences. Even subtle comments or rumors spread in private circles can escalate quickly. Words can easily incite others to act - sometimes even violently. We’ve seen this play out repeatedly in recent years: hateful rhetoric online often translates into real-world harm. So it’s not egomaniacal to consider this risk - it’s a realistic concern, given the current climate where accountability is often lacking. To ignore the power of words and the ripple effects they can have is naïve at best.