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Very likely yes. The OK State head coach will be a public employee, very different from being on staff at a private school (yes I know cornell has certain programs which are considered part of the state school system).

I see what you're saying and yeah, folkstyle wrestlers all have a shelf life, especially at the college level. To my memory though most Iowa guys who come in wind up wearing a pretty heavy amount of tape on something somewhere around year 2, and whether or not they are able to move on from said taped limb seems to dictate how they do throughout the rest of their eligibility. But fair point, road wear is inevitable no matter where they wrestle.

He did, but it’s because one of his knees was destroyed.

If you want to take a specific comment and apply it to a much broader spectrum that it was never intended to apply to, congratulations for reinventing the thing that makes so much of the internet suck.

They have a good year, bc they believe in the singlet, but then they break down because that's what happens to every Iowa wrestler after their freshman year. Eierman and Woods both did better than they ever had (finals), but then tanked because...stupid training will do that.

Hahaha, very accurate, I was referring to getting some experience within an athletic department as an administrator of some sort

Nah, the "cross-eyed etc." description popped into my head and I didn't want to keep it to myself is all.

This is legitimately the worst take I have ever read on any board or heard from any fan of wrestling anywhere. I believe the phrase "cross-eyed twattery" applies to the level of critical thinking that went into this reference.

Hopefully the women's side of the sport continues to evolve to have coaching/other positions available that allow her to stay in the game. Gotta get with those Rudis folks and get them to throw her some equity or something like that.

There it is, knew I was forgetting someone. Which is rather weak of me considering at this point she is, or should be, flag bearer for USA wrestling.

Reina’s stance made a lot more sense when the EIWA was…good. The EIWA is going to be a corpse after the Ivy’s leave. Then, if Lehigh goes somewhere…bye bye conference altogether. The EIWA that Reina defended was the tournament that was arguably #2 in the country in terms of difficulty, had rutgers in it, had a very very good american team in it. Those things have all left. I think this is more beneficial for the growth of Ivy programs not just in terms of qualifying, but schedule flexibility. Instead of being obligated to a bunch of trash duals, in a conference that has fewer teams, the schedule is opened up for more national exposure. The Ivy’s used to be trash comparatively, they are now much less so, and a small, competitive conference will allow them to get their guys better, bring more AA’s in and grow total allotment. The remaining EIWA may well shrink to a “finals or you’re done” tournament…and those conferences are just terrible to be in.

Hahaha…that….would be my sleep or lack there off talking. Call it a wild card at either 7 or 10, insert whoever you like. Would also be an absolutely blockbuster round 2 matchup at NCAAs.

Man, thank you. So many people just pretending like that didn’t happen, only for the continuation standard to be ruled the other way for Zahid’s 4. Apparently we have more than a few fans of team nose candy on this board.

That ref officiated a terrible match, starting with being so out of place he cost brooks a takedown. I’m amazed nobody ever mentions that. Brooks was still pressuring zahid and had the better tank after having wrestled multiple matches already that day. Zahid gets far too in his own head, and has matches where his lungs just disappear on him. Consistency is part of real success internationally, and zahid doesn’t have a track record of that, besides being consistently 2nd - 4th on the ladder at an olympic weight. Brooks basically just did dake’s version of the fire walk in 2021. That said, his weight cut is clearly tough, and he gives up silly scores when he’s still close to the scale. Until he blanks people all the way to gold in Paris, I can’t put him high up, because DT looked very physically undertrained, his muscles were ~70% the size of what they usually are. DT being underprepared is really putting an extra shine on brooks which we could see come off in a hurry. I suspect he is Daniel Cormier level olympian right now, rather than Cael level. Also, his weight is weak sauce. People have given DT a bunch of credit, and he’s good, but he’s a brutally sloppy wrestler who just out-volumed and out-efforted people, basically took the dan gable approach to wrestling with Penn State technique. But, based on vibes alone, I go: 1. Dake 2. Snyder (tazhudinov is geared out if his gourd, whatever country he's wrestling for might not have the pull to pay for a clean test) 3. Parris 4. Spencer 5. Retherford 6. Brooks 7. Gilman 8. Nick Lee 9. Nolf 10. Gilman

He is, but before those two, how many world-level studs appeared out of maryland? I mentally take the average across time since ~1970 and today, and if it gets more crowded than one for every 20 years, not a generational talent. I don’t know any Maryland wrestling history prior to snyder.

Uh…brooks was a 4x champ up with the big boys and just dethroned the olympic champion at his weight. Last time that happened was…Cael? That was a generation ago, sounds generational to me. It really depends on scope though. If you say talent out of maryland, yes generational talent. Takent out of the PSU room? Well, he kinda just did what was expected. To be honest to the word, generational talents in coaching would be gable and cael, and on the mat would be baumgartner, smith, jb, snyder, saitiev, and sadulaev.

I’m just talking about his level of polish. There is a 1/2 hour interview with him that intermat put out, and the dude truly sounded like someone who knows how to navigate the institution, he sounds like an administrator as much as a coach, which is the primary point of difficulty for most wrestling programs, they are unable to build and maintain a positive relationship with their own schools in a meaningfully positive way. Agreed on the results part, but if more coaches sounded like Valenti(which only comes with gaining real institutional knowledge), shutdowns of programs wouldn’t be such a concern.

Listening to his intermat interview gave some very interesting insight into the depth of the "CEO" side of things that head coaches have to handle outside of the room. If that's what it's like for all head coaches it's remarkable they have more than a few minutes to be in the room coaching at all.

To be clear, they are holding the justice system and government accountable to their own rules. Those rules, limitations, and mechanisms for accountability are what keeps our country from really sucking fat donkey weiner.

Mmm…well, Columbia has quietly been leaning into the China market, along with data manipulation, for a long time. There are two things that drive away chinese applicants, race issues and riots. So…yeah that’s not going to go well. Columbia has good professional schools, but a major part of that is tied to the ability for the school to maintain good relationships with the firms in Manhattan. Having this sort if crap happen absolutely raises eyebrows at those companies, and not in a good way. Add that on top of the fact that…that sort of divisionist activism is completely antithetical to prospective college wrestlers…yeah not good for the wrestling, but it is similarly antithetical to alumni and recruiters. This sort of thing is much closer to being quite bad for these schools than the schools themselves believe. NYU shot its own foot off last year…that’s not going away for a long time. Columbia HAS been very good for a very long time, but their are a lot of schools that want that prestige instead, and will manage their institutions accordingly to take that place.

Valenti is a very polished coach and a very polished administrator. He might be the best spoken (future) coach in the league right now. Coaches at similar institutions should really take a listen and consider sending some of their guys into the AD administration trees, it clearly has prepared Valenti VERY well to become the future helmsman of the Penn program. He’s very smart in the way he is constantly giving credit to other people with just about every sentence that comes out of his mouth.

The shine is pretty aggressively coming off of “elite” institutions because it is becoming so apparent what the student experience on these campuses will be. Ultimately the relationships you build at a school like that are the most valuable thing they offer, and there is a rapidly growing distance between alums, students, “administration”, it’s all getting pulled in rapid directions, but one of the key hallmarks is that students emerge from a school like that with a highly capable and (relatively) WELL BALANCED approach to the world, at least to the degree of being functional within institutions. It is a story old as time that complacency leads to “creep” of undesirable and unexpected ills. We are finding out now that this has already been happening for a LONG time. As with many ailments, once something starts hurting or visibly looking bad, it has been building for a long time.

Not to give an obnoxious answer, but very likely structured like the old soviet/current chinese state sponsored system, with japan and s. korea providing the strongest technique influences. South Korea is filthy at Judo, and obviously Japan is a grappling mecca, nasty both in wrestling and obviously judo, so wrestling success is not that crazy a notion. System-wise, in a structure like that, coaches and programs go around to all elementary schools checking kids for size, joint structure, mobility, mindset, etc, and funnel kids into whichever sport they are the best fit for. Ever notice how chinese weightlifters all have identical proportions? That’s not by accident.

Bader gave a great interview with him on the most recent version of the Bader show. Dude is beyond a gentleman, just a wonderful soul and a tremendous role model. I legitimately cannot think of anyone I would choose as a better role model to show a young person, let alone a wrestler. There are few wrestlers who transcend the sport itself in the example they set and being a legit role model for any athlete or any person anywhere. J'den is one of those few. If you haven't watched it, definitely check out the episode. We are lucky to have J'den as a part of the sport. https://www.flowrestling.org/events/6197840-the-bader-show/videos?playing=12478080&limit=60

I think the writing is basically on the wall for JB and Taylor, we're just waiting to see if they go for the consolation special in september at an off weight. 74/79kg - 'Cenzo, Berger and Monday.