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LOL...that's it? I assumed you made the mistake of sharing something more personal than that like I did, but just your Fiancé makes a good income? That's some insecurity to bring that up.

Did you see the backlash? You think Trump wants to lose more seats in the midterm than they're already going to? Risk the Senate? They're not going back to the blanket tariffs. Even Trump isn't that dumb. He just saw it nearly decimate the economy in less than a week. You had small businesses actually already go out of business(if Ron Johnson is to be believed). That's why I'm confident about that. Even the tariffs he has in place now, I'm going to guess they get resolved(there are some really dumb ones in place).

Oh...ok...so you think it was rigged, but you ALSO don't think people would have objected to Trump having stayed in power on Jan6th had Pence accepted the illegal electorates? That's some...impressive mental gymnastics. Is there really anything more you believe we can get out of this conversation?

Awesome. They said the Ballots were too neatly folded. It suggests nonsense. Remember when that 79 year old women wasn't allowed to vote...and that was their big evidence and they held a whole press conference? Oh and the signature didn't match. That was a smoking gun! And then...turns...she was legally blind, the vote was for Trump and she'd just forgotten. Remember when they were bringing in "suitcases" of ballots...into the BALLOT room?

It's a bit amusing to me...yet again, when people talk about personal attacks on here...and yet, I've heard this one multiple times. What relevance is it to you how much his partner makes?

I don't think it's going to tank(though Trump does view business as a zero sum game and there are some...truly horrifying and despicable claims about him not paying small businesses money for small projects on his behalf, but large projects for them). But no, I don't think it's going to continue to tank. It overreacted to the news yesterday, it's correcting today. Trump HAS caused damage, but America's trade partners need us and it's not the EU vs Trump(speaking of which, the EU also paused tariffs). China and the US likely come to an agreement...and as long as Trump is diabused of this notion that a trade deficit means you're "losing" or "being screwed," then we'll be fine. And moreover, the GOP won't allow him to reimpose those tariffs. I would bet(in fact...I mostly have...putting most of my money back in yesterday and today) that we're around the bottom. The ONE thing that'd lead me to possibly side with you is the CPI. It bottomed out today. 2.4%(proof that Biden's policies REALLY were working extremely well...and also proof the damage he did by not honoring his word to be one term President). But I don't agree with this take by in large.

Ok. I didn't think you'd be among those who'd be passing off this election denialism but...here we go. You'd have taken to the streets in protest? But then when those people actually did, I mean...there was so much propaganda and it really wasn't that bad. There weren't even guns...when they arrested people later... Proof Trump KNEW he lost. Yes, several of former President Donald Trump's attorneys have acknowledged that they were aware he lost the 2020 election. For instance, during a press conference on August 3, 2023, Trump's attorney, Alina Habba, stated, "I think that everybody was made aware that he lost the election." UPROXX+1indy100+1 Additionally, Jenna Ellis, another attorney who represented Trump in his post-election challenges, admitted in March 2023 to misrepresenting evidence of election fraud. She acknowledged making false public statements, including claims that Trump had won the election and that it was "stolen" from him. The Hill+1Politico+1Wikipedia+1indy100+1 Furthermore, a federal judge noted that Trump signed legal documents challenging the 2020 election results that included voter fraud claims he knew to be false. AP News These admissions indicate that key members of Trump's legal team were aware that the election fraud claims lacked merit.

Yup. I have looked into it. That's less than half the cases and I JUST addressed that. You can't just pick the court you want...but he went to Court 60+ times. As for why is Fulton County not turning over 147,000 ballots to a 3rd party? I don't know, do you think we should make it public how everyone votes? Just turn over all that information to further undermine the uncertainty that Trump started in '20 and you continue to do so here?

And as I've found on this thread...that seems to be the majority of his party. Also, explain the second part. You're saying they'd never actually go mainstream, right? Not that they have? Because...there are...well, as you said, 'nutjobs,' who think that "MAPs" have actually become mainstream.

1-Cool. So did Bush and so did FDR. They were wrong. The Constitution isn't there for convenance. 2-Sure Sheryl Crow. If it makes you happy...to believe that, I don't care. As long as you 'understand' why he asked GA to just "find me 11,800 votes." What is the point of this? What is your end goal here beyond justifying him attempting to circumvent the constitution in an attempt to stay in power(while people on this board just dismiss the notion that he may try and run again in '28)?

Yeah, you think you're making it better and you're just describing mens rea. I don't care. You want to say you "understand" why a pedophile is a pedophile because they are inherently attracted to underage kids? Sure. You can be the most understanding of criminals as you'd like. But what do you want here? 1-AS I've said, from testimony from both legal and Civil Trials, Trump KNEW he'd lost and there wasn't widespread voting. He didn't believe it. 2-Understanding WHY someone murders someone or attempts treason...is that really an argument you're trying to make like it's some really nuanced thinking? There aren't many ways to make money in urban areas. People don't see a way out. I understand WHY they turn to drugs and how that leads to turf wars and kids getting shot in the crossfire. I mean, Christ, how far do you want to go with this, "I understand" nonsense?

Yes. And you can say it was about stalling, they'd stalled. The clock had run out. Also, the Court DID hear cases. Not all just as you're not going to have a criminal trial if you the judge doesn't find probable cause at a hearing. That's largely what people are complaining about. There was no evidence but they They heard cases at the time, they heard cases afterward, that's just nonsense. They had nothing. You think all these Trump supporters, Bowers, Reffensperger, etc... And then they went by a person by person audit in a couple counties and...it wasn't there. They just did not find it. Finally, Trump and his team, we now know, they KNEW how this was going to play out broadly speaking. That in States like Florida, they'd have the Democrats up early. In States they wait(because of the GOP's laws) and count the day of vote first, he'd be up early. Back to the first question, yes, unequivocally, yes. There were people who wanted him reinstalled.

Yeah, that's...cute and reductive, but no, starting a trade war with the rest of the world is not just "doesn't do what we think is right." As for the insider trading...that could have been anyone, but the market action before it was announced speaks for itself.

I wouldn't put it past the CCP wanting to do this, but...it kinda sounds like something that starts on X or whatever. People learning this that quickly and thinking the US wouldn't be tracking that stuff?

Ok. I'd seen he bought it at auction, but if he didn't...my mistake.

Elon? LOL...what have I even said about Elon? I actually love how Elon has spent on Nvidia GPUs and...don't particularly care about him. I sold Tesla and I'm glad after the last earnings because...he didn't sound well(and yes, I do listen to the earnings reports of most of the companies I invest in or companies that impact them). He was kinda rambling and incoherent. Trump? No, not everything. I LOVED that he saw how terrible his policy was and he was able to reverse course. Again, are you missing how this started? A stupid question that obviously jross posed in an intellectually dishonest manner as he phrased as though he wanted feedback on what the liberals on this board thought of it and I said what? Was I in favor of EVER using violence in politics? No. I said I didn't believe that just as I didn't believe the % of Republicans that I've seen in polls talk about Civil War or justify Jan6 or other extremist views. So yeah, I don't like Trump but don't have everything he does. Musk is...I'm indifferent beyond his role as a CEO. I don't think he's super relevant. If he can ACTUALLY find waste, that's great. I think we need to cut the deficit. I think you and others of your ilk like to just kinda lump anyone who is NOT MAGA in the same group, don't you?

Ok. Well, for the 47th time, I don't think it's "understandable," no matter how you justify his beliefs. Lets go back to your original question here. I BELIEVE Trump is very bad for this Country and I believe he has authoritarian leanings and...actually admires them. So with that belief, what would I be justified in doing? If you start just dismissing the law, ESPECIALLY how the things that Govern our Nation, the things that have made us....the United States, you're going to see this Country fall apart pretty quickly.

LOL...three branches? Pretty sure we sawed one of those off Jimmy.

Because I'm responding to false equivalencies? Or because you don't know if Trump is going to keep doing things like...tanking the Economy and then trying to walk it back?

LOL...yeah. Sure. He legally bought it. Just a BIT weird he buys his old friends plane after he kills himself in the most famous sex trafficking case in US History under the overview of HIS DOJ. Not to mention, people DO understand that the ONLY reason Epstein was not in prison is because ACOSTA stepped in at the last minute, when Epstein was facing a life in prison and he gave him an unprecedented deal. -1 year, home confinement -Blanket immunity for all known AND UNKNOWN co-conspirators. It made Acosta a black sheep. But then Trump tries to nominate him as Labor Secretary? It's almost as if he owed him something, no?

Where? Who is reporting this?

Yeah, there was some VERY shady stuff going on. The day before there's a rumor that Trump paused it for 90 days to gauge the markets reaction. Then he does it. You have the CEO of Schwab in the WH bragging about how much money he made? It's...pretty disgusting. People should also realize the market is STILL not even close to being out of the woods...it's just not headed to an immediate recession.

That's...amazing. This election was lost by every swing state going the other way. Al Gore oversaw HIS election that he ALMOST certainly got more votes in, but legally lost because of ONE state. Did they have an illegal slate of electors? That bolded part says basically it's alright to break the law if you REALLY think something happened(and to be clear, we now know based on testimony from his lawyers, even THAT wasn't the case). -Starting a needless trade war that harms this Country because you've long held the belief that tariffs are a way to make this Country better is bad, but at LEAST it's not in service of nobody but yourself. -Trying to coordinate illegitimate representatives of states who certified the vote for the Democratic nominee in order to try and have your Vice President certify the election for you...is something you'd be hung for in the past in this country. It's treason.

There's...no problem with mail in ballots other than Trump told his voters to not use them and he lost...and then they were a problem. People log on using their ID# and vote in Australia and there's nearly 100% participation and no fraud. But this isn't new. The more voters, the worse it is for the GOP. That's been the case for 60 years. The higher the voter participation...the more likely the Dems are to win. It takes me...at most 20 minutes on the day of to walk in and vote. It takes people 30 minutes away from me 7-8 hours. And now it's illegal to hand them water while they wait in line. Why? Because it's better if fewer people vote. It's not that complicated...

Do you know what happen to Epstien's plane? The imfamous plane everyone talks about, the one we now know Trump flew on numerous times? Yeah, that's the plane Trump bought. Or his campaign. He's owned that for a while. And anyone ever think it was weird how it was Obama or the Clintons that had him killed...while he was in the criminal justice system under the TRUMP administration. Trump wishing Epstein's Pimp "all the best," after claiming he didn't know her. Countless pics of them together. I don't get why people think HE is the one unlikely to be on there. He's yelled out to 12 year old girls, "I'll be dating her in 10 years." He "inspects" Mrs Teen USA because 'when you own it, you can do that.'