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Funny you've had a "blast" the last couple days and are SO supremely outraged at...what again? That I don't buy the sex addiction excuses, that I think being in the position he's in, he's likely to face more consequences and... I'm sorry, you went on the tangent about MOST people being trafficked being KIDS(that was in all caps, so very important). But... at a time when you believe there is this rampant abuse of MOSTLY children in sex trafficking, you've had a "blast" talking about it and you're telling ME that I should "pray on it?" In all seriousness... if you're going to play the morally indignant card, you probably shouldn't have a "blast" making jokes about what in YOUR mind is MOSTLY children who are trafficked and forced into prostitution, eh? Pray on that...(or don't, I really don't care what you "pray on.")

Yeah, cute response. You've posted 44 times in this thread to let everyone know JUST how outraged you are and then just made up a bunch of bull$hit in a post, attributed it to me, but NOW...after 44 posts in, your attention span cannot tolerate a couple paragraphs. Just say you've had a few drinks tonight and you're just wrote an incoherent post that doesn't at all align with what I said and move on(though...I guess this is the social media way of doing just that). But yeah, I guess I won't be holding my breath for where I apparently said That....makes more sense than this stupidity.

1-No...I will not "pray on that." 2-Most subjects are NOT children. KIDS if you will. But I didn't argue this point, though @BAC did and he made a pretty strong argument. 3-I made a REAL simple point. A-I don't believe in the "Sex addiction therapy," nonsense. B-I don't think the fact that the other 15 people who got arrested not losing their job or suffering professional ramifications means that Snyder won't. Explain where in the TF that even addresses the "Comfy Parts, USA," or Child Trafficking aspect of this? I haven't been defending Snyder... though I'm also not just sure WTF you're talking about or how I'M the one who got this... just made up lecture about how most escotrs being children who are trafficked. Via Homeland Security; Coercion and Forced Involvement Sex Trafficking: The U.S. Department of Homeland Security reports that 23% of all human trafficking victims are subjected to sex trafficking, with 8% of these victims being children . Though...AGAIN, ENTIRELY Moot as I didn't defend Snyder AT-ALL. So again, what the hell are you talking about? Also, maybe help me out with something here. Presumably you know what the purpose of quotes are, right? They are to repeat what someone said to bolster their argument using their EXACT words. So...again, not only would I like to know where the quotes came from, but WTF did the sentiment come from? You can pray on whatever you want... just don't start making up nonsense.

Not really how it works. Robert Kraft gets arrested at a rug and tug joint, it makes news. Big John from Big Johns Plumbing gets arrested...the National Media doesn't make such a big issue out of it(so biased)... Not that I think he will be suspended, but the argument that these other poor shlubs got to go back to their job...Wrestling for team USA is a privilege. It's one that's earned on the Mat, but it come with prestige. And I get I'm starting to sound more outraged about all of this than I am. I'm...mostly indifferent, there's just a few points I disagree with.

Is it really a guess when I basically just said as much? No...I don't believe in it. I believe Men when they're young like to have sex(hell, probably when they're old as well). I believe you need to show some self restraint. And this isn't even self restraint, it's one thing if you have a GF, Fiancé, Wife and you get a little buzzed at a wedding or bar or whatever and you simply need to NOT sleep with someone, but this was him having to just not actively go seek it out. I think this is an excuse, a cop out and I think it's transparent. Every celebrity gets busted doing something stupid, they go and "get help." Charlie Sheen-THAT dude needed help. Tiger-He just needed to stop frequenting strip clubs on Tuesday Afternoons when the only requisite to employment was a minimum of one cesarian scar and a tattoo on your lower back. I'd be willing to bet 6 figures he's going to turn to God and his supportive Family, speak to his Pastor and give the cliched Christian Man who strayed as we're all sinners routine...and the rehab...well, I don't know, that'll likely be up to his sponsors. I don't think the guy is an awful guy. I think he probably thought he was untouchable, he got touched(not in the way he paid for) and now he'll hopefully change his ways. But no, I don't believe he's "addicted" to the cave of wonders any more than any man(well...with your obvious exceptions...Liberace, Lance Bass...my Great Uncle who my Grandma referred to as a "confirmed bachelor...though he died about 30 years ago, so times were different). But...aside from that subset of Men, I don't think he's particularly unique in this regard. He just made the bad decision and betrayed his family. And I do not believe it was because of an addition or disease.

It is.

I do not know what "FCA wrestling is." But...either way...sure, he let people down. I get that. I do think it's a fringe minority of people who are victimizing Kyle, but that's an opinion, I know how you'd quantify that. The comments I saw seemed...pretty harsh...similar to this one. I'm frankly unsure how he'd be the victim. The "his wife wasn't doing his job," is not a normal, common take and I'd not take it seriously. I think people often take the vocal minority and amplify them.

I feel like we exaggerate the time and effort that goes into this. If it was Robert Kraft or...Tom Brady, sure, they'll have an agent and their PR staff get together and craft a letter or statement. At Rudis I feel like they just told a kid just say something inspirational.

Oh...is he a big enough star to do the whole, "sex addict, I'll be getting treatment," schtick?

See... the ills of this scourge if you will...are even touching this message board. While this 'lil guys Mom was out working, he missed out on his uncrustable and didn't even get to bed at a reasonable time in a school night! Don't worry bud, she's out grinding(literally) so she can buy you boxes and boxes of uncrustables! All the uncrustables you can eat...like you play for the Broncos!

I wasn't defending Snyder or necessarily talking about this specific case, I was more talking about your assertion that sane adults don't sell their bodies(paraphrasing, correct me if I'm mischaracterizing what you're saying). I think there's a lot of evidence that many do. I don't have a strong enough opinion about the state of illegal prostitution in this area or what Snyder did to have a REAL strong opinion. I think what he did to his wife and then what he did to the people who look up to him as more egregious, in this particular case...

LOL...yeah, I'm really starting to see why this consensus has been building! I didn't give anyone a "rule" sport, I made a comment about one guy and AGAIN, then I made a facetious comment...that clever went over your head(which given your disposition is likely not a high bar).

Look up the word Facetious for me there bud. It'll be your word for the day. I'm also not sure where I made up "rules" for everyone, but...sure, lets treat it as though I set up a "rule." See above. Prior to this...I wasn't calling you an idiot, simply pointing out what the consensus seemed to be. I am starting to see the perspective of the rest of the board however.

I know, I was just commenting on the post you shared.

I don't know... look at OF girls. Also...what about Vegas? Is it the doing it illegally that you find it hard to believe or is it just the act? I think a lot of people who will make money the "easy" way. Maybe they will say, 'hey, I made a G today,' and you'd say, 'but you made it in a sleazy way.' That's just the way it is. We gotta start making changes! Seriously though, of course...a lot of people will exploit others as well. That's also an easy way to make money I guess. I'm skeptical that sex trafficking is as prevalent as some are inferring, but...it kinda seems like the best solution to this and most realistic would be just to legalize it. I really can't imagine a more...tortured life than being forced into prostitution, but it does seem to me that Bunny Ranch in Vegas...those ARE consenting adults. How sane they are, that seems relative.

The consensus seems to be...you. You're the idiot. I haven't read this thread all that deeply, but...I've picked up on that.

That was an odd post. I'm skeptical...about the number that's "trafficked." At least in the traditional way you associate the word, but when you see 50% of those who are-are under 18 years old and even the numbers from Law Enforcement that I've seen, 35-40%, that's bad enough. I'd also be a little annoyed with a former teammate speaking for me unless he was a very good friend or I asked him to say something because I couldn't just yet. I think the blaming of his wife has GOT to be someone thinking they're funny...and failing. Just a tacky comment, but I'm curious how prevalent that was or if he just amplified the stupidity of those comments. If you see one person making that comment, leave it alone. It's not worth giving it more air. Also, I don't think people are "victimizing" Kyle. I don't generally love the tone. Even pointing out the hypocrisy. The public image and how this contradicts that. That was one of my first thoughts. "Kyle would want, Kyle would not want." Let Kyle speak for himself. Kyle would want that...

I don't think I'd notice it was a Kardashian or Jenner unless it was Kim. Ever since there was a gofundme for that one Kendall or Kylie, whichever...to raise 20M dollars so she could become the youngest billionaire in History, my brain reflexively blocks out anything Jenner/Kardashian related. I could deal with Kim becoming a billionaire because her Mom released a Sex tape with the Brother of a famous singer. I could deal with Bruce becoming Catylin and then killing someone in a car accident(that just made sense). I could deal with those things because of my complete indifference. But when I saw they were paying a teen so they could become a billionaire... I lost all faith in humanity.

I'd like to consider another entry...Dreshaun Ross. He's never going to have the same type of wins as it's just...not the same, there aren't the same numbers for a Jr HWT to come in and beat multiple National Champs at HWT and conversely, he's just not going to have as many elite level Wrestlers all bunched in together, but if he is all in on Wrestling, he would be the guy I'd take. I think he's going to be a more athletic Tommy Rowlands...and perhaps a bit bigger.... if he really focuses on adding good weight. To have a HWT who could be a 4X AA and 2...maybe 3X NC, I might take that over a 157 or 141 who has marginally higher placements just because it seems easier to find guys who can get you points at those weights then at HWT.

LOL...shut up...I woulda but I got caught...and...and the ref made a bad call and I definitely wasn't pinned. "Hilltopper," just...sounded vaguely like a kids tournament!

He somehow looks like a guy in an old-timers tournament who is smoking a dart about 30 minutes before he's about to Wrestle and then Wrestling like he's taking it about 60% serious and trying to not gas out. I'm still unsure how Slay beat him. He also looks like he SHOULD be physically controlled by a guy like Joe Williams. I mean, I get strength of just one aspect of Wrestling, but...it IS a pretty important one. He is so so damn slick, calm, under control at all times. Thanks. Euro's and 86, not 85. But he was still about 80KGs at the weigh-ins. I believe the majority of his losses came vs other Russians. Peak Burroughs vs peak Saitiev would have been a fun matchup. It seems to me JB's style of Wrestling would have been MORE conducive to beating him than others. That blast double rather than getting in on a single and having to finish given his ability to scramble out of it. *I'm NOT comparing their Wrestling credentials or who was the better Wrestler. Just the best version of JB vs Saitiev.

With Facundo Wrestling '57 last year and you making that comment, my brain glitched a moment and I thought you were talking about Haines being the PSU transfer to beat him out. But yeah...that would be amusing. I think it's unlikely. '84 is going to be a helluva weight next year though...and if Ryder could cut down and do so in a healthy way, that would probably be the easiest route to a title. But I really doubt he can.

I don't know Storely, but Gross seems like he's got a personality that is particularly suited to work with kids and HS Wrestlers. I'm also more inclined to go with guys who just did things a bit different than guys who were just hammers and had freakish athletic ability(though Kolat is an exceptional coach). So Gross, Askren...a guy like Gomez who teaches kids to just go for it(and then they can go to a College where the College coaches teach the kids to go for it juuuust a little bit less often, particularly when you're getting in on and the legs and dominating the match)...Andronian. Those types. It's the Scoring+Fun+Hard work ideology that I think is great for kids. I see this kids...and I've seen it in my own Family(even 20+ years ago) where you have kids who are good, but a Dad is just out there SCREAMING at a kid and he loses and that kid gets all emotional and then they run off. I had a couple uncles like that. Guys who won a few JV Matches and now they're treating the Hilltopper Classic, School Boy 110 LB weight class like the 54th Olympiad. I've seen a few of them quit, a few just melt down in big matches later on, I've seen it with other kids. My Dad and Coaches...they MIGHT ask what I learned after saying good job. My Dad probably not even that, just 'what do you want to eat on the way home.' So yeah, I think a coach that does NOT emphasize results until you're in HS is the BIGGEST criteria. I feel like this should also just be a blanket statement or rule for kids at all levels and also common sense, but for some reason(parents wanting to live vicariously through their sons) it's not...

What announcers even said 174 was his best weight last year? During...the U20s last year or when? Also...if the goal was just to have everyone cut down another weight, why go with David Taylor? Just keep Smith around... He looked plenty big for 184 and that was...again, last year. He handled Arnold, didn't get up any strength and was taller. Looks like a pretty healthy '84. And I'm going to assume he's been lifting and getting stronger. Wasn't he listed as a 84/97 coming in? I know he was Wrestling 182 3 years ago...so 174 seems like an aggressive cut for an entire season. Going there for a weekend or to make a world team is one thing, but doing it consistently seems...like a very bad idea.

Well...he wasn't arrested and he's young. So why are the odds so low that anyone else would pick him up? Couldn't just be a clash of personalities?