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Yes it was. Smith did not attempt to turn from top at all. Too bad more refs don’t make that call.

If you don’t want to do your own research and insist on me proving you wrong, Ok. Here is their list. I’ll add a parentheses for ones that were born male and played on a women’s team. 1. Schuyler Newberger - played on men’s team 2. Kye Allums - born female 3. G Ryan - born female 4. Jeffrey Rubel - born female 5. Schuyler Bailar - born female 6. June Eastwood (1) 7. Brent Darah - born female 8. Braeden Abrahamsen - born female 9. Lia Thomas (2) 10. Natalie Fahey (3) 11. Iszac Henig - born female 12. Oliver Williams - born female 13. Cece Telfer (4) 14. Bobbie Fischer - born female 15. Brooklyn Ross (5) 16. Sadie Schreiner (6) 17. Meghan Cortez-Fields (7) 18. Lex Horwitz - born female 19. Keelin Godsey - born female 20. Taylor Edelmann - born female 21. Ryan Socolow - born female 22. Chloe Anderson (8) 23. Jay Pulitano - born female 24. Athena del Rosario (9) 25. Max Nagle - born female 26. Ryan Lavigne (10) 27. Kolton Niemann - born female 28. Alexander Perry - born female 29. E Kerr - born female 30. Dani Wheeler - born female 31. Erica Smith (11) 32. Lucas Draper - born female 33. Alexander Wicken - born female 34. Mack Beggs - born female 35. Jay Robinson - born female 36. Gabbi Ludwig (12) 37. Peachy Tabilos - played on men’s team 38. Navi Huskey (13) 39. Bella Bautista (14) 40. Ray Libman - born female (competed over 20 years ago) 41. Harriett Mackenzie (15) (Canada) 42. Mason Johnson - born female 43. Avery Cordingley - born female The only remaining one played club frisbee. So of the 44, in a list that spanned 20+ years, only 15 were born male and competed in women’s sports. Only 3 were in D1 and 2 in D2. 1 wasn’t in the US. So yeah, even if you think there are more hiding it or whatever, looks like my estimate of 1 per year across all sports is probably about right. Like I said, nice try though.

Transfers? No they are not, based on the data I shared I’d argue they are worse.

Link - https://www.outsports.com/2025/1/16/22850789/trans-athletes-college-ncaa-lia-thomas/ See some dates as far back as 2010, this list also includes club teams, female to male folks playing on men’s teams, and trans folks that played on the team for their birth sex. Nice try though.

PSU is also good at landing transfers, perhaps better than Iowa. And I’d argue they are comparable in “developing” them as well. You are just speaking based on vibes. Here are each team’s transfers that were in the starting lineup starting in 2020, with guys that transferred just prior to that season. The transfer portal was introduced in October 2018 so the 2019-2020 season would be the first one after the portal was available. Let me know if I missed any (DeSanto and Lugo were before the portal existed and are not included, even though both would be good examples of being “developed” at Iowa). Iowa: Eierman: 5/4/3 at Mizzou, 2/R16 at Iowa Teske: R16/R12 at UNI, DNP/R12 at Iowa Woods: R12/6 at Stanford, 2/4 at Iowa Franek: R12/4th at NDSU, 8th at Iowa Caliendo: 7th at NDSU, 4th/TBD at Iowa Parco: 6/8/4/5 at FSU/ASU, TBD at Iowa Teemer: 4/6/2 at ASU, TBD at Iowa Buchanan: 8/3/3 at WYO/OU, TBD at Iowa PSU: Kerkvliet: no eligibility used, 7/4/2/1/TBD at PSU Conel: R16/3 at Kent State, 3-3 then injured at PSU Hildebrandt: 4th at CMU, DNP at PSU Dean: 8/2 at Cornell, 1/7 at PSU Nagao: 5th at Minny, R12/TBD at PSU Mesenbrink: no eligibility used, 2nd/TBD at PSU Truax: 4/4/4/4 at Cal Poly, 5th at PSU By my math unless I missed anybody, since 2020 both PSU and Iowa have brought in 7 wrestlers that had previously shown to be AA caliber (not counting Teske, counting Kerk & Mesenbrink - call that cherry picking if you want, but I think most objective observers would agree with me). So first of all, I’d argue that this shows Iowa is not really any better at PSU at getting them in the first place. On top of that, all but one of Iowa’s transfers listed above had their highest placement at Iowa (of course TBD on the 3 from this year). Conversely, if we remove Kerk and Mesenrbink from the equation, Max Dean was literally the only PSU transfer to improve on his previous finish. And he was a previous finalist, then did noticeably worse in his last year at PSU. So objectively, you are wrong to say that Cael has “dominated” in developing transfers. He has “dominated” in developing his own recruits, and because of that (and Ira Lubert), is just as good at bringing in transfers. I’m sure if they had any holes in their lineup this season they would have targeted more transfers this offseason.

My prior post was not about Trump, I voted for him. But I did not vote straight R either. I acknowledge that each trans person playing NCAA sports affects more than one other person, my comment was about the # of trans athletes in the NCAA. How many were there this year? The only one I heard about what the volleyball player at San Jose State.

It was an issue that needed to be addressed, but there were several politicians that pretty much ran on this as their #1 issue. Much bigger fish to fry, like the economy.

I’m talking about NCAA, which the thread is about. Particularly D1 and maybe D2 where scholarships are involved. And clearly I was referring to the one being the trans person. Yes, them competing does impact other people. I’m honestly not sure what swimmer and wrestler you’re even talking about, that’s how uncommon these athletes are. Are you talking about Lia Thomas? That was 3 years ago and she didn’t go to UVA. What wrestler are you referring to? Again, I’m on board with this rule, but hopefully it allows F to M trans folks compete in the men’s division. But it was still a very small impact overall.

Thank you for sharing. So if we focus on top 5-10 (which is what the thread seems to be more about), PSU had: 2021: #2 Facundo and #4 Van Ness 2022: #7 Haines - in the last 4 years this was the only year PSU’s class was not ranked in the top 4, but Haines was still a top 7 recruit. This class also had Caleb Henson at #16 so of course PSU isn’t the only school turning non-top 5 recruits into NCAA champs 2023: #4 Barr and #9 Kasak 2024: #1 Lilledahl #5 Mirasola #6 Ryder #8 Sealey Don’t see 2025 but I assume Blaze and Duke are 1 & 2. Flo also has Henckel at #8. So like I said earlier maybe it’s a bit of a recency bias. They had very good recruiting classes in 2021-2023 but not blowing everyone else away. But in 2024 & 2025 PSU went bonkers, so people may have thought that was going to continue.

I’d give Barraclaugh about a 1.5% chance. If he can hold off the attacks and hang on for a 2-1 win with RT

Did he wrestle in any of those football stadium matches?

Probably because the tweet links to a YouTube video. Elon doesn’t like competition.

Agree

Ok yeah if Iowa gets them then yes that would probably top OSU. But I wouldn’t say “whoever” gets them wins the class.

Also I know folks on Twitter were mostly trolling when they were making fun of Iowa’s room, but I kinda agree that it seems dull for being brand new. They’re pretty much just wrestling in a warehouse.

Nelson Brands is alive and at practice, but with a lot of tape on his knee

Well of the 3 wrestling programs between PSU, Iowa and OSU, wasn’t OSU the only one to have an actual doping scandal in recent years? Although at least the garage water supplier is gone.

Wouldn’t #2 and 3 top any other 2 guys?

It’s funny that it’s “refreshing” that the top guys are going to the other 2 schools that have won every title except 4 in the last 37 years. But it actually is.

Fine by me, hopefully now we can stop being distracted by like the one person per year across all sports that this actually had any impact on. So female to male can’t compete in the men’s division?

The chart I shared was specific to “the Executive Office of the President.” So just part of the 8 million. Like how the $44K from USAID was just (an extremely small) part of the 8 million.

Thanks for proving yourself wrong here. USAID did not pay 8 million for Politico Pro. That was from various different government agencies. None of it was “given” to Politico. It was a business transaction where a product was purchased. I don’t know enough about it to know if it was worth the cost, but I doubt DOGE does either, seems like all they did was say “it’s owned by Politico? End it.” So maybe the product wasn’t worth the cost. I understand wanting to cut wasteful spending. But hopefully people realize that there are entire industries and cities/towns that are “propped up” as the result of government contracts. If we truly do cut this wasteful spending, we need to understand that it might tank our economy. Oh and hopefully Elon checks to see if there’s any wasteful spending in the government contracts for SpaceX too.

Yes, even though Iowa hasn’t had a transfer win a title, for the most part their transfers have performed as expected, often better actually. Your point seems to be changing. You originally said “Iowa has objectively done the best in the portal the past 7 years.” But now you’re implying they haven’t “produced as expected” and PSU’s have. Are we just talking transfers here? PSU had Drew Hildebrandt transfer in after finishing 4th and he went 1-2 at NCAA’s for PSU. That’s probably the worst result of any AA that’s transferred in the portal era. They also had 3rd place finisher Kyle Conel transfer in and go 3-3 during the regular season before getting injured. If we’re just talking the quality of the wrestlers before they transferred, it’s probably a close race between Iowa and PSU. And they’ve almost all performed similarly to what they had done in prior seasons (or what people knew they had the potential to do, like in the cases of Kerk and Mesenbrink who used the portal to transfer before using any eligibility elsewhere). IMO, Central PA is home to the school that’s had some of the best transfer results in terms of improvement. But it’s not PSU. It’s Lock Haven. Anthony Noto was 2-4 during his redshirt year at NC State, and 2 years later placed 4th for Lock Haven. Before the portal, but Chance Marsteller was 11-8 for OSU, then became a 2x AA for Lock Haven. This is why I don’t think the portal is bad for wrestling. Yes top teams will pull guys from smaller schools that weren’t highly recruited out of HS. But the smaller schools can get guys who didn’t pan out or couldn’t make the lineup at the bigger schools.

Fortunately, this may have been a false alarm