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I wonder how many creators cash the majority of their RAE out immediately vs “hodl’ing” if (not sure if I used that term correctly)

Well Noto only beat him 3-1 so doesn’t seem like a huge upgrade. He does seem to be off to a rough start this year but Trombley made the R16 at 133 in 2021. Wonder how tough his weight cut is though

Off topic from Iowa/CBU but speaking of former wrestlers doing a good job announcing - Hayden Hidlay was great for NC State

You keep talking about the creators but they’re irrelevant to why @flyingcement started this thread: for the consumers. In addition to the confusion about not being sure how many events will be PPV or not, even one $15 PPV annually would be a pretty steep price increase, being 15% of the cost of an annual subscription (higher than inflation even). 4 PPV’s in a year and you’re paying more than Flo. And with tweets like the below, a lawyer better than FloKaren could probably make an argument it was a bait and switch/false advertising, although I’m guessing there’s something in the T&C’s saying they can change the price at any time: If you actually cared about the consumers and not just the creators, @nhs67’s idea of a higher subscribtion level that includes all PPV’s might not be a bad one.

Eh, looks to me like Pop was clapping in a different direction and Noto came over and stared him down.

Lol was Pop the one that said “bring it”?

And yet it seems the creators that “roundly requested a PPV option” weren’t…

No, they only take USD from consumers. But if you are a creator, you get paid in the cryptocurrency that was invented by the company’s founder (RAE). Seems sketchy, but because it’s tied to the Rokfin platform I guess RAE actually does makes more sense than most other cryptocurrencies (which isn’t saying much of course). I don’t see why they wouldn’t let people pay their membership with it though…

Or really any in-room competition for that matter. He knows performance against a guy you see in practice everyday doesn’t always translate to more actual success

Doesn’t Cael also have a history of not really caring about wrestleoffs? Probably unlikely he sits a national champ…

What’s Nahshon Garrett up to these days anyway?

I wasn’t the one that brought up grayshirting. But I called out that OP didn’t seem to care to restrict grayshirting despite wanting to eliminate redshirting. And while I don’t think grayshirting is currently an issue in wrestling, it will be if redshirting is eliminated. I don’t think it’s really fair to compare to Iran/Dagestan/Ossetia. Wrestling is a means to a good living there and a way out of poverty, more similar to baseball/soccer in Latin America or basketball/football in US inner cities.

Well considering the founders are one and the same, it probably makes sense to compare them… And for that reason, I think it had to be expected that something like this might happen. I guess one could argue Rokfin is “better” than Flo because more of the proceeds go to the “creators,” but this model sure seems like worse value for the consumers who may end up paying more annually for Rokfin for arguably less content than Flo (depending on their interest in particular events). But, I do need to thank Willie for not requiring a Rokfin sub for using this forum…

I wasn’t necessarily talking about the “outcomes” of grayshirting, just the people who are more likely to do it. I did mention I don’t even think grayshirting is really much of a problem in wrestling currently - and really outside of the Ivy League it may not have resulted in much benefit. At Penn State it seems to just mean you’ll get recruited over. Can you clarify your last paragraph? Are you saying living in a “flophouse” is or is not cost prohibitive?

If someone taking a grayshirt is living at home (and not because his family moved to the same town his future college is in) and taking classes at community college, then yes, they’re most likely not “privileged.” I’m just not sure if that happens much in terms of wrestlers that grayshirt. I don’t know the specifics of if any housing is paid for (I had heard that about Cornell, not sure about PSU) - if so then yes that could open grayshirting up to kids that don’t come from “privileged” families, but it would moreso just be the benefit of wrestling for a school that is “privileged” to have strong alumni/RTC support. Although to be fair, I don’t think grayshirting is really that common in wrestling. But if redshirting was eliminated than it would be much more common. I guess redshirting could be an example of “privilege,” too, but IMO that’s really only assuming they’re not getting much in scholarship and/or financial aid money. And again it’s been stated that a significant number of overall college students take longer than 4 years to graduate anyway…although I suppose it’s possible they are more likely to be “privileged” as well…

I agree with most of this post. But to clarify, I think the only reason “privilege” has been brought up is regarding grayshirting. Yes, I’d bet the majority of wrestlers taking grayshirts come from “privilege.” The main argument I’ve seen against this is “lol privilege,” and one comment claiming someone “might need to work for a year” - does anyone have any examples of a D1 wrestler that took a grayshirt because he “needed to work for a year”?

Strength mostly I’d say. It’s math really. A 19 year old is 5.6% older than an 18 year old, but a 23 year old is only 4.5% older than a 22 year old.

Is that true? I’d be curious to see this research

For one, an extra year makes much more difference in HS than it does in college. And a lot of kids are already redshirting in middle or high school anyway…

Do many band members get scholarships? (Yes I know some do but would have to believe it’s a small minority). I guess they could have an unrelated academic scholarship and lose that, but I doubt they’d get kicked out of the band after participating for 4 years, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. Yes, I would bet that most grayshirts even outside of the Ivy League but especially within it are taken by those with “privilege” (AKA at least upper middle class parents), because a lot of people probably can’t afford to grayshirt without getting scholarship or financial aid money, and needing to work full time would likely put a damper on the purpose of grayshirting in order to prepare for athletics. Cornell maybe the exception since from what I gather their housing may be at least partly subsidized by alumni. Do you agree that eliminating redshirting would result in exponentially more grayshirting?

My apologies, you “have a problem” with grayshirting, you just don’t care to do anything about it and don’t seem to mind that eliminating redshirting will exponentially increase the number of grayshirts, yes mostly for the “privileged.” Can a band member participate in band for 5+ years as long as they fulfill all the necessary requirements?

Or 0 years?

Allows kids to get used to the rigor of D1 athletics and college academics as well as adjust to living on their own for likely the first time in their lives

Any 125’s still in the portal?

Ah, I see, you were referring to “Michigan 125,” haha