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Ok, so he may have won the vote, doesn’t mean he “should have” won the vote

I’d think all of the following would be “big names” that would have to lose for Yianni to win Lee (or wrestle less than like 10 matches) RBY or Fix O’Toole or Carr Starocci Brooks Don’t see that happening

How did Steveson win it fair and square? He only wrestled 5 more matches than Lee, had a lower bonus rate and less pins (1 vs 5). The NCAA finals was Lee’s only match without bonus.

Are we sure he is? And IIRC a decent chunk of his back points are feet to back. I’d give him a B+ on top.

Yianni isn’t going to win it with a loss

Would you take any specific individual (other than Lee) over O’Toole?

I’d agree with Vak here, if not Lee then I’d probably put O’Toole as the next most likely based on projected bonus rate (and the level of competition at 165 having 2 other NC’s). But probably not too far ahead of the likes of Brooks, RBY and Starocci so I’d probably need pretty good odds on O’Toole vs. the field

I doubt that’s the case, but I have no firsthand knowledge

I believe Flo said they were going to use them in their rankings. So if coaches are lazy and use their rankings, it will impact seeding @Husker_Du will Intermat factor these matches in the rankings?

You got a plan or somethin?

that is not at all similar to the situation we are complaining about, where the top guy sits on the ankle typically with the bottom guy on his hands and knees

Terukina +3 Byrd +1.5 Andonian Sasso +2 Brooks -2 O’Toole -3 Carr -3 Elam +1.5 Kerk + 1.5 Starocci -1

I defend some of Cinnabon’s threads, which would include the first Gibson thread he started. But because of that one, I don’t see the purpose of this one other than to maybe fish for people to make cheating allegations against PSU.

got a video?

IIRC I have seen PSU guys set up a cradle with the ankle ride…just not sure if it was against anyone that good.

The “action or stall” call is only in neutral. But I wouldn’t mind guys being hit for stalling on top for just driving guys out of bounds.

Grabbing the ankle can be used as a breakdown. As someone said earlier, the act of sitting on the ankle isn’t necessarily stalling. It’s staying there and not doing anything with it that is. I’d be in favor of adding it to the 5 count list, but we probably don’t want to have and excessive amount of those situations

Actually there were already 2 threads if you count the what’s PSU’s secret sauce thread, with one of the original 2 being from Cinnabons. This is Cinnabon’s 2nd thread on the subject and 3rd in total, I think there’s been adequate discussion of it here. I was surprised at the lack of discussion on Cornell’s forum but I’d bet some of them think it was due to academics and not a flip. Fair amount of discussion on BWI, who seem to think this is the start of the pipeline to McCort including Bo Bassett and Jax Forrest. But, the Gibson names may have been bigger if McCort wasn’t banned from PIAA states

I don’t see why they wouldn’t with the new rule

I presume he could be by the second semester

Saw some speculation that Erik could have a shot at starting at 157 this year if Haines redshirts, which could be plausible

Ah, one of the last discussions at themat… I’d give him a decent chance against Fix, and not much chance against RBY but wouldn’t be totally shocked if he did beat him

Yeah I think most know about no athletic scholarships in the Ivys. Do no Ivy’s give academic scholarships either?

Ah didn’t know that, thanks. IIRC (could be wrong), there was a newspaper article where Erik said he was “offered a full ride” to Cornell by Koll (although I think it was later edited). I would assume for Koll to know that going in it would have had to have been based on family income anyway. But, I’d still put my money on Mason just really wanted to go to PSU and Erik wanted to be with him.

Ah, got ya. Although I would doubt that’d be the case at least for Erik who has claimed to have gotten a “full ride for academics” to Cornell - https://www.federationforchildren.org/voices-for-choice/erik-gibson/ Although is he there now or TC3? Can you get an academic scholarship 2 years in advance? Regardless, my guess is Mason really wanted to go to PSU and they were a package deal.