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But as has been stated, they have also had success at 133 & 141, and helped Gilman become a world champion at 57kg. Suriano would have fit that description if he didn't transfer, and because of Suriano they didn't have a legitimate replacement for a couple years after. I assume you're alluding to Teasdale with "staying out of trouble," and yes he's certainly a guy they missed on. IIRC, Teske (despite being a 4x champ) wasn't necessarily a top recruit?

Half a million out of high school may be a stretch, but I definitely believe six figures for the recent transfers. Gannon Gremmell has recently stated he declined an offer of $40K to come back, and he's not even on the same level as some of these other guys.

I disagree that Cael "doesn't want to support or grow NCAA wrestling." Yes he may have killed National Duals and I'm definitely on the side of wanting a duals championship, but for example other than forfeiting to Zahid a few years back he doesn't usually sit guys out for duals. There have pretty much always only been a small handful of teams that can keep up, but that's more due to Cael being the best coach than NIL/transfer portal. The guys supposedly being offered half a million out of high school weren't going to go to a mid-major. The one concern with NIL/transfer portal is big schools stealing guys from small schools, and yes that has happened but in most of the bigger name cases there have been extenuating circumstances such as being a grad transfer or coaching changes at the former school. And of course the B10 doesn't have a monopoly on this - Olejnik to OSU and Feldkamp to ISU are two B12 examples this season. There have also been a non-insignificant number of guys transfer from "big name" schools and having success at smaller schools.

Yeah I thought the "Suriano curse" thing was more of a joke but people seem to be actually thinking PSU somehow isn't as good at training 125's as every other weight?

clear as mud

Where is the 11.4% coming from? Taking a quick look, the median home sales price in Stillwater is $239K (Redfin) - $265K (Realtor.com), compared to $542K (Redfin) - $604K (Realtor.com) in Chapel Hill.

If Brands had any part in bringing the womens team to Iowa (and I have no idea if he did) would that count? IMO, Cael is “supporting wrestling” by helping it actually become a viable career after college due to the success of the NLWC. Most of Michigans transfers came from another B10 school and IIRC most (in total, so including Griffith) are also grad transfers. I thought tOSU is (allegedly) spending most of their NIL money on incoming recruits and not transfers? But they would always get great recruiting classes so that’s not much different and you could argue the ability for wrestlers who haven’t even wrestled in college yet to get NIL money is in fact helping to grow the sport.

What behavior?

Berginc is starting though right?

I’d agree for the most part but I think you’re exaggerating if you’re basing it on what he’s making now. I thought the rumor was $1 million for his WWE contract right? Although not sure of the timeframe. But he got $250k for Olympic Gold. Another of those and he’s already halfway there. Throw in world medals, sponsorships and an RTC salary and he should be able to top $1 million in lifetime earnings from freestyle wrestling alone, not even counting NIL for college or coaching. Of course if he was actually successful in WWE then it’d be a different story.

So does it also count as a head to head win for the other guy?

I've found recently it won't always embed if you use the share icon from twitter, but does work if you copy the link from your address bar

Well in this same thread I said I still wouldn't be surprised if Howard made the finals. But your comment was stupid because 125 is crazy deep this year (not weak, deep).

Some interesting transitive results here. Howard loses to Gallagher and Ryder. Both of them lost to Army’s Charlie Farmer. His only loss so far this year was to last year’s D3 national champ Joziah Fry (who spent time at Campbell and had some decent wins)

Well Bo Nickal said he moved to Allen because their wrestling team was good, so what about Baylor or North Texas?

He (Davis) did. Majored Steen

Dominic Mendez of Cal Poly over Braxton Brown of Maryland 21-12

Yes I could see that as well. Or Fix beating him in folk but then losing in free

Well it did help his “Real Woods is the biggest lock to win” claim

I'd guess he can beat Hynes at 141. He had a solid regular season last year (only losses were to McGee and Fix, beat Phillippi and Orine), but then I guess got injured at EIWA's?

I could certainly see Fix winning the title this year though.

Correct (that it doesn't matter). Rankings are not predictions.