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Who said it was a great performance? Pretty much everything I’ve seen is that it was disappointing. Which IMO just shows how good we are if a silver and 2+ bronzes out of 6 weights is disappointing. I wish #1 happens, but it’s not like NLWC having all the best guys was intentional on the part of anyone but NLWC. And I’m sure guys would/will leave if they feel it’s not the best place for them. #2 sounds good too. What time of year are some of the main tournaments that would be good for them to enter and how does that conflict with the college season? I know many have been clamoring for NCAA wrestling to be a 1 semester sport maybe that could go along with guys wrestling more internationally. But you lose me on #3, especially if you think it will help NCAA ratings/attendance. I know the school affiliation is why folkstyle has more fans, but I don’t buy that switching to free which most casual fans have hardly ever watched would actually help. And honestly I’m not sure folk really hurts free performance as we’ve had several guys win Olympics or worlds during or shortly after college. It does certainly seem like we need to develop better par terre, but I’m not sure that’s a folkstyle problem. Snyder has zero par terre offense and he’s been full time freestyle for like 6 years.

What changes do you think need to be made?

Well considering Dake couldn’t beat what most would consider prime Burroughs, I don’t think many people thought that. Many probably thought he was still better than everyone in the world though.

I don’t think anything is wrong with the qualifying system. I think the only question of “did we send the best guy” is Taylor and seemed like he had a case of HEW anyway. With the RTC’s there isn’t really a training “system” for the national team anymore, and I’m not sure that’s a bad thing either as even with this “disappointment” it’s still better than most prior years. IMO the only guys who didn’t wrestle all that well were Dake and Parris. Dake came back for bronze and Parris is young. Brooks was a second away from the finals and Spencer, Snyder and Zain just got beat by better guys IMO.

Did you mean to say Terry Steiner?

Interesting. I know Ayres is a big proponent of women’s wrestling, so seems like not an impossibility.

Sounds like a good opportunity for Penn State to start a women’s team

How has he done against Amine?

If they’re representing other countries, I’m surprised that Russia doesn’t make them leave…

Yeah I have that same question. I wouldn’t agree with this, but one argument I’ve seen for the US ones is that American resources/facilities shouldn’t be used to train foreign athletes, so maybe some Russians feel the same way? Although I guess for them it’s probably more about coaches and training partners where in the US many are training at publicly funded universities (although I moreso have an issue with the entanglement of RTC’s and universities than “foreign” athletes training at the RTC’s).

Kadi was one and I think there was one at 65 as well?

Curious, do we know how many of them actually live in those other countries? (Not that there’s anything wrong with it if they don’t as obviously the American ones don’t) Also curious how many of the transfers happened after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (I know many happened before, and maybe even some of the ones that happened after it it may not have been the main reason)

Agree. The whole “having fun” thing sounds cliche but there’s truth to it. And I’m a little surprised Spencer didn’t have more perspective moving forward after the loss to Ramos, especially since yesterday he wasn’t the overwhelming favorite like at NCAA’s. Maybe it’s just a Spencer Lee thing and nothing to do with Iowa vs PSU, but he just seems to put so much pressure on himself that it’s not really fun, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s done competing. Nonetheless, he had a great tournament. Higuchi was just better.

Wasn’t the repechage process from the book too? There is of course precedent for courts ruling against “the book” though. The kid in Wisconsin that was DQ’ed but then allowed by a judge to wrestle comes to mind. Hopefully Vinesh has the Cornell lawyers

I saw people saying that she was screwed out of an opportunity to wrestle off for 53, but also that she lost at 53. Maybe both things are true. She did “lose” at 53, but apparently it was stated that she just had to place top 4 in order to then have those 4 compete for the 53 spot, so she may have lost intentionally: https://sportstar.thehindu.com/olympics/paris-2024/news/vinesh-phogat-antim-panghal-53kg-paris-2024-olympics-selection-trial-explain-wfi-timeline-ioa-ad-hoc-committee/article68500511.ece

Was she? I saw people claiming that but in looking closer it seems she did compete for the 53kg spot and lost, and may have even gotten favorable treatment to then compete for 50kg after losing.

Honestly that would be my guess, maybe he coaches but doesn’t really compete much and then makes another run in ‘28

So he lost the team points but still got to say he placed 6th? His website does say he’s the only 4x AA in Wyoming school history… https://joeleblancwrestling.com

Crap are the Olympics over already?

Don’t disagree but I think FRL talking about odds for an event that happens once every 4 years is the least of the concerns

Interesting. Has anyone ever missed weight for the NCAA finals? And if so, did it change a team outcome?

Wait I thought @gimpeltf above said he’s getting commentary on the single mats but not multi view? I’ve mainly just watched the single mats as I’m mostly watching on phone. But I just saw in the day 4 thread that someone saying there were ads for the replays on phone but not computer? Maybe the commentary is different for phone vs computer too?

Even in the first round matches?

I’ve been watching the specific mats. IIRC there wasn’t any before the semis in the ones I’ve watched.

It’s OK but it could certainly be better. -Should be easier to find specific matches, either have more individual match videos or timestamps or something. The ads while trying to find a specific match on a replay were terrible. -No commentary in the early rounds that I’ve seen.