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Matches were decided by coin flips in 2001?

Maryland/Pitt, VT/Rutgers and Iowa/Oregon State were all pretty good IMO and I believe B10 may have posted “condensed” versions on YouTube. I also thought Army/NC State was decent and made an earlier thread about it, which Flo put on YouTube

Can’t remember if it was that dual or not, but an announcer pointed out that in one match there was a stall call on bottom, a stall call on top then a stalemate from essentially the same position

Has McDonough tried to get back on a D1 staff?

Were there really many times they “didn’t know how the scoring works”? I noticed a couple but I think it was usually the result of the scoreboard being wrong. For example one time they said one guy got an escape in the first period before there was a takedown, but the scoreboard initially did show 1-0 before being corrected

Yeah again in the hypothetical dual between 125 and 133 “gents” I was pretending they all “were in the correct weight class for their body.” I just thought this match was interesting because it appeared to be 2 guys that were in the “correct weight class for their body” and a guy that was ranked in the 20’s at 125 beat a guy ranked in the teens at 133. And I believe Brown was only ranked in the teens even before taking the losses at 125. I mean in your defense there are a couple guys that dropped this year and are doing well (Palmer and Maida), but I think part of their success is they probably are “larger” than most of their opponents. At first glance you’d think both Santaniello and Bouzakis are over-ranked, but I think that kinda speaks to the lack of depth at 133. This reminds me of the convo that came up around Crookham, when Kozak said Crookham probably would’ve been ranked 10 or 11 to start the season if he was the starter. At first it seems odd but when you look at the rest of the guys, it’s tough to argue who should be ranked higher.

Oh and someone needs to make a gif of those 3 consecutive mat returns from Brown. Shane Sparks is probably having wet dreams about that

Wouid the score have been much different with Brown at 125? Seems most likely scenario would’ve been something like a Brown decision win and a Sandoval loss by major. Of course one team point difference would have changed their chances going into 285. Speaking of Miller stalling, that was odd when he literally just laid on top of Matthews after hitting that 7 point move. He needs to take some “smart stalling” lessons from @pmilk I guess…

They’re typically students I believe. For that reason I try to give them some slack. While these ones did have a few mishaps I thought they had good energy and communication skills, I’ve heard much worse. For example it wasn’t “like” or “you know” every other word. Much prefer IMO to the zero announcers that Flo provides sometimes

Yeah I do remember hearing he kinda got pushed out for Gross. Not sure what that would have to do with Askren though?

Braxton Brown, #22 at 125 takes out Vinny Santaniello, #13 at 133…

I don't hate RT but I wouldn't be upset if it were eliminated...

I completely forgot that Askren had coached at the RTC…

I still think you should have to break the hold to get multiple exposure points. I just don’t see how rolling around the mat is supposed to be exciting

As I said before…

It’s kinda crazy that Evan Henderson has beaten Muskukaev, the US has not done well at 65, and yet is Henderson even currently in our top 5 (if we count Zain)?

Another data point for D1 vs D3 is Dylan Koontz finished 5th at D3 last year and is currently #2 on wrestlestat after being about .500 at tOSU.

I think you’re being too literal. I was saying hypothetically if they were in the same weight class and thus no one was “larger.” Kaylor has been inconsistent but just last year still had wins over Brandon Courtney, Ventresca, and Peterson among others.

If we’re assuming these guys weigh the same which obviously they don’t, I’d take 133 in 1-4 and 125 in every match after that, with 125 probably getting a fair amount of bonus in the bottom half. Kaylor is #30 and is a previous AA, just an example of the depth

Judging by his reaction with the medal, I don’t think he was coasting. But I guess only he knows that

In the past yea that happened, but I didn’t get the sense that Lee gassed against Megaludis…

I agree that 7th at the B10 is pretty good, but I think that’s probably a stretch except for the SoCon and MAC

I agree that weight classes matter. I am not suggesting that those guys would be in the top six or so at 133 right now, but I think multiple guys at 125 having wins against some of the top guys at 133 when they were at the same weight is an example of why 125 is not weak. That’s not what deep means though… I think people will regret these “125 is weak” comments looking back in a few years. There are multiple guys looking to become 3x AA’s this year. Then you’ve got Ramos, Noto etc that still have 2 tournaments left, Figueroa 3. Speaking of Figueroa, many thought he should’ve started last year and Courtney ended up finishing 3rd (with prior 2nd and 6th place finishes). Definitely not weak IMO

I think it’s been talked about here before but can’t remember, what even happened between Bono and Askren?

I don't think Bono is in jeopardy, but Askren could probably do better. I think they missed their chance though.