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I think it’s more about not thinking Carr should drop 2 spots for losing 1 match due to Ramirez losing his next one. This is actually consistent with what they did with Vito. Rather than making Fix 1 and Crookham 2, they put Crookham to 1 and kept Vito ahead of Fix. @Jon_Kozak, is it safe to assume Ramirez would have went to 2 had he beaten Olejnik?

I don’t know why, but he did. He did not name Cass specifically, but said that “Kueter’s wrestling plans had changed in light of the gambling suspension for Hawkeye wrestling at heavyweight.” I assume you’re trolling and have already seen this, but you never know these days

He’s the one who confirmed Iowa’s plans are to use Kueter at heavyweight

C'mon the Cassioppi angle is silly. Does any ranking service currently have him ranked? I guess there's a slim chance he's back, but right now the assumption has to be he won't be. I don't think they're being inconsistent here. They're not dropping guys "due to inactivity," they're dropping guys if other guys do have activity that gives them better resumes. That's what happened at 125, where Provo beat the same guy that Camacho did to get his #1 ranking. No one is going to pass Fix unless they beat Vito or Crookham, and no one is going to pass Hendrickson unless they beat Kerk. Now I do think at some point some of these guys that haven't wrestled a match should not be in the rankings at all, but that's a different argument.

Maybe following up on my other thread...Pat Glory. Unless I missed one, looks like he was the first champ from an EIWA or MAC school not named Cornell since Darian Cruz in 2017. Andrew Alirez maybe another one.

What is the rule “requiring that real wrestling take place”?

Flo had already bumped Fix down to 3 after Crookham beat Vito. You don’t think Fix should be lower than 3 do you? Iowa’s linebackers coach confirmed Cassioppi won’t be wrestling this season. Although on a related note I was a little surprised Flo is assuming Braeden Davis is PSU’s starter. Guess they “got a plan or something”

I don’t think they necessarily “punished guys for not wrestling,” moreso the lack of wrestling enabled other guys to compile similar resumes. For example Camacho got to #1 by beating Ramos, but then Provo beat Ramos as well as multiple other ranked guys at CKLV. I think one thing that you can probably debate with Flo rankings is how much should last year results count. With Hendrickson, when you consider last year he still has a far better resume than everyone below him. Provo/Camacho was unique since Camacho didn’t wrestle last season and Provo is clearly much improved.

Which others?

Even more impressive for finding one before the wrestlestat era!

The one criticism I will give to Borrelli (and I apologize, just realized I misspelled his name in the title), is his comment about guys “taking multiple losses moving up.” CKLV was almost as hard as NCAA’s. For example Volk is one guy that did deserve to jump Maida. He “took multiple losses” to Provo and Kaylor…but beat Caleb Smith and McCrone.

Didn’t they drop 1 spot? And many people obviously weren’t happy about it

Prince Philip? I thought he was “Philly Cheese”?

Any NCAA football experts here that can tell us if something like this has happened? Team A starts high in preseason poll Team B beats Team A and is undefeated but has no other notable wins Team A then loses several more games and drops out of rankings Team B then gets dropped in the rankings as a result?

Yup should also have #20 Babin of Columbia before EIWA’s

I’m not sure if I’d agree with that overall but he certainly has a history of saying things on social media that he shouldn’t. “Baby murder” comes to mind…

Maybe a question for @Wrestleknownothing I was just looking at Pat Glory’s Wrestlestat and not sure if I had previously realized how impressive it was. 99-9. Only 2 losses in his final 3 seasons (2020 cut short by Covid). Here were his losses: Suriano Vito x2 (who he also beat) Spencer x2 Picc x3 (who he also beat) Rivera So he lost to 5 guys, 3 of which were or became national champs. Which got me to thinking…what national champ has lost to the most national champs? I found some others that lost to 3 (such as Drew Foster and Myles Martin), but can’t seem to find any that lost to 4 or more but I assume it’s happened.

Mizzou it is

Hopefully. It actually looks like Maida won’t see anyone currently ranked between #8-#19 before NCAA’s, although I assume some of them will take some losses and give him a chance to move back up to where he was.

I actually don’t really mind Pyles. I was surprised he replied like that to Borrelli though, and he seems kinda grumpy.

FWIW, although it seems weird and there are a few guys you could nitpick, 125 is a mess and Kozak’s argument for why Maida dropped so much did kinda make sense, particularly in regards to Ventresca. And he was polite with his response.

lol I’m just trolling you

Come to Lehigh, where freshmen come to beat world champs!

Which would put him ahead of Steveson’s pace. I was more just saying the Steveson comparison isn’t necessarily unwarranted. Crookham was a 3x PA champ and only wrestled 3 seasons

Flo did it. Provo to #1. I don’t hate it. Intermat again went the other extreme (like when they only put Crookham at #5 after beating Vito and Flo had him #1) and only put him at #4. I don’t get keeping Figueroa ahead of him at this point considering he hasn’t wrestled at all. Although the odd thing to me is with Crookham Intermat now put him #1. If they didn’t have him above Fix before, not sure why beating Nagao puts him above Fix… There are some weird things with Flo’s rankings but I’ll give them credit for trying to be consistent. Intermat seems to include a bit more of “the eye test,” which is fine but can be harder to defend IMO.