SetonHallPirate

The reason why is because it includes the third-place matches as well.

https://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress.com/2025/03/06/conference-championship-week-police-blotter-2025-working-document/

Absolutely not. Their sports are an integral part of their business model. I'm worried about some programs, but not LIU or SHU.

Couldn't disagree more. Having the Ivy League schools in their own (home) conference makes it less likely, not more, that those schools will drop, and the EIWA dropping down to a more manageable number will make it more likely (moves the 0.01% over a decimal) that programs in the northeast region of the country will be able to start a program and find a conference immediately, something that (you probably recall) Morgan State had to wait a year to do.

Except that what you've labeled as TB-1 and TB-2 are both part of TB-1...

https://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress.com/2025/02/27/allocations-and-who-earned-them-in-progress/

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance. Wednesday, February 19: Penn at Rutgers, 6:00 PM Thursday, February 20: Kent State at Cleveland State, 7:00 PM Edinboro at Lock Haven, 7:00 PM Presbyterian at VMI, 7:00 PM Bloomsburg at Navy, 7:30 PM Friday, February 21: Columbia at Bucknell, 6:00 PM *Edinboro at Bloomsburg, 7:00 PM Michigan State at Central Michigan, 7:00 PM Indiana at Chattanooga, 7:00 PM Maryland at Drexel, 7:00 PM Brown at Harvard, 7:00 PM Arizona State at Lehigh, 7:00 PM American at Penn State, 7:00 PM Pittsburgh at Virginia, 7:00 PM NC State at Virginia Tech, 7:00 PM Northern Iowa at Wisconsin, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) California Baptist at CSU Bakersfield, 9:30 PM (6:30 PM) North Carolina at Stanford, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, February 22: Cleveland State at Rider, 12:00 PM Iowa State at Missouri, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) *Bucknell at Cornell, 3:00 PM *Brown at Sacred Heart, 7:00 PM Northern Illinois at SIU Edwardsville, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) Sunday, February 23: Davidson at Wildcat Open, hosted by Davidson, 9:00 AM George Mason, Hofstra at Patriot Last Chance Open, hosted by George Mason, 10:00 AM Franklin & Marshall, Penn at F&M Invitational, hosted by Franklin & Marshall, 12:00 PM *VMI at Sacred Heart, 12:00 PM Wyoming at Cowboy Shootout, hosted by Wyoming, 12:00 PM Ohio at Buffalo, 1:00 PM Bellarmine at Chattanooga, 1:00 PM *LIU at Sacred Heart, 1:30 PM Binghamton at Army West Point, 2:00 PM American at Morgan State, 2:00 PM Arizona State at West Virginia, 2:00 PM Campbell at Appalachian State, 3:00 PM Cal Poly at CSU Bakersfield, 3:00 PM (12:00 PM) South Dakota State at North Dakota State, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) Gardner-Webb at The Citadel, 3:00 PM Air Force at Northern Colorado, 4:00 PM (2:00 PM) Central Michigan at Michigan, 5:00 PM North Carolina at Oregon State, 5:00 PM (2:00 PM) Nebraska at Purdue, 6:30 PM Oklahoma State at Iowa, 8:30 PM (7:30 PM)

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There's never been anything about only getting the champ. The only time that was ever a going concern was in 2021, when a wrestler had to either have four matches prior to (or including) the conference tournament, or had to win their conference (not just earn an allocated spot). Remember Real Woods came in second in the Pac-12 that year, but didn't have enough matches until he wrestled an extra match later on that allowed him to be in the at-large pool. As far as the transition period, that's only that the conference is eligible for it, not that they automatically get it. Imagine if, in that sport that makes the NCAA (not the institutions) most of their money, Oregon State and Washington State simply played a one-game playoff in March, and the winner went to the tournament? That would be ridiculous. What you may remember was in 2015, the Big 12 had no automatic or allocated bids at all, and all 40 wrestlers participating in the championships had to go into the at-large pool. It was that summer that Air Force, North Dakota State, Northern Colorado, South Dakota State, Utah Valley, and Wyoming joined the Big 12 as wrestling affiliates.

Yeah, the effort that needs to be made is getting the ghost of Johnny Cochran involved, because if nothing else, the Cleveland State University students should be suing the pants off the university, as Jason Bryant mentioned above.

Sorry, thought I was in a different thread...

Lindenwood was never part of the MAC.

Literally none of what you just said is true: https://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/article/2018-02-22/ncaa-wrestling-qualifier-allocations-2018-championships-coaches And the waiver is only for one year, not two.

Nope...they're treated like every other conference. I'm old enough to remember the year the Big 12 got no allocated (or automatic) wrestlers at all for the NCAA Championships, and every single wrestler in the conference had to go through the at-large pool. Even Alex Dieringer had to be awarded an at-large that year...I'm sure that discussion didn't take very long at all.

If you have the RPI, you certainly have a better shot of hitting the threshold than the other two. If you're relying on both the CR and Winning Percentage, especially in the Big Ten, you better be a top 10-15 wrestler. (there are other conferences where this threshold is lower due to strength-of-schedule being weaker)

Top-20 Intermat-ranked guys who wouldn't have earned an allocation: 125: None 133: #1 Ryan Crookham (Lehigh), #13 Kai Orine (NC State), #19 Tyler Wells (Minnesota) 141: #15 Mosha Schwartz (Oklahoma) 149: #8 Ethan Stiles (Oregon State) 157: #3 Jacori Teemer (Iowa), #9 Trevor Chumbley (Northwestern), #17 Sammy Sasso (Ohio State), #19 Cobe Siebrecht (South Dakota State) 165: #9 Paddy Gallagher (Ohio State), #15 Cam Steed (Missouri) 174: #1 Keegan O'Toole (Missouri), #17 MJ Gaitan (Iowa State), #20 Josh Ogunsanya (North Carolina)| 184: #14 Dylan Fishback (NC State), #18 Ryder Rogotzke (Ohio State) 197: #12 Andy Smith (Virginia Tech), #15 Zach Glazier (South Dakota State), #19 Mickey O'Malley (Drexel) 285: None

Thief: wrestler who didn’t earn a bid during the regular season, but qualified for nationals through an allocated slot. Victim: wrestler who earned a bid during the regular season, but failed to qualify for nationals through an allocated slot, and has to go through the at-large process as a result.

And the winning percentage. 2-1 over these last three won’t cut it (and Askey, Chumbley, and Fish are no gimmies).

Teemer is going to need to win all three of his remaining matches or else he’s going to need to get onto either my police blotter or an at-large bid.

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Monday, February 10: Hofstra at LIU, 7:00 PM Wednesday, February 12: Truett McConnell at Presbyterian, 6:30 PM Thursday, February 13: Kent State at Central Michigan, 7:00 PM Cleveland State vs. Lock Haven at Franklin, PA, 7:00 PM Lehigh at Penn, 7:00 PM Stanford at Princeton, 7:30 PM Friday, February 14: Bucknell at American, 6:30 PM VMI at Davidson, 7:00 PM Rider at Edinboro, 7:00 PM Bellarmine at Gardner-Webb, 7:00 PM *Stanford at NC State, 7:00 PM Virginia at North Carolina, 7:00 PM Penn State at Ohio State, 7:00 PM Maryland at Purdue, 7:00 PM Michigan State at Rutgers, 7:00 PM Ohio at SIU Edwardsville, 7:00 PM (6:00 PM) Campbell at The Citadel, 7:00 PM Pittsburgh at Virginia Tech, 7:00 PM Wisconsin at Northwestern, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Iowa State at South Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Northern Illinois at Cal Poly, 8:30 PM (5:30 PM) Wyoming at Air Force, 9:00 PM (7:00 PM) Iowa at Minnesota, 9:00 PM (8:00 PM) Northern Colorado at Utah Valley, 9:00 PM (7:00 PM) Little Rock at Cal Poly, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, February 15: Columbia at Harvard, 1:00 PM Arizona State vs. Cornell at Phoenix, AZ, 4:00 PM (2:00 PM) North Dakota State at California Baptist, 4:30 PM (1:30 PM) Sunday, February 16: Lock Haven at Mat Town Open II, hosted by Lock Haven, 9:30 AM Mercyhurst at JCU Open, hosted by John Carroll, 10:00 AM Stanford at Duke, 11:00 AM Rider at Clarion, 12:00 PM Drexel at LIU, 12:00 PM Michigan at Michigan State, 12:00 PM Bellarmine at Presbyterian, 12:00 PM *Columbia at Brown, 1:00 PM Binghamton at Buffalo, 1:00 PM American at Virginia, 1:00 PM Indiana at Nebraska, 1:30 PM (12:30 PM) SIU Edwardsville at Central Michigan, 2:00 PM Gardner-Webb at Chattanooga, 2:00 PM *Little Rock vs. North Dakota State at CSU Bakersfield, 2:00 PM (11:00 AM) Millersville at Franklin & Marshall, 2:00 PM Penn State at Illinois, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Northwestern at Iowa, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Iowa State at Northern Iowa, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Princeton at Penn, 2:00 PM The Citadel at VMI, 2:00 PM Davidson at Appalachian State, 3:00 PM *Oklahoma at Arizona State, 3:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Little Rock at CSU Bakersfield, 3:30 PM (12:30 PM) Navy at Army West Point, 4:00 PM Drexel at Hofstra, 4:00 PM Northern Colorado at Wyoming, 4:00 PM (2:00 PM) *North Dakota State at CSU Bakersfield, 5:00 PM (2:00 PM) Morgan State at Sacred Heart, 5:00 PM American at George Mason, 6:00 PM

Definitely not.

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Tuesday, February 4: Appalachian State at Gardner-Webb, 7:00 PM Thursday, February 6: Cleveland State at Edinboro, 7:00 PM Rider at Lock Haven, 7:00 PM Utah Valley vs. West Virginia at Layton, UT, 8:00 PM (6:00 PM) Friday, February 7: Lehigh at Bucknell, 6:00 PM Binghamton at Morgan State, 6:00 PM Michigan at Penn State, 6:00 PM The Citadel at Bellarmine, 7:00 PM Chattanooga at Davidson, 7:00 PM *Central Michigan at Edinboro, 7:00 PM Presbyterian at Gardner-Webb, 7:00 PM Kent State at Ohio, 7:00 PM Minnesota at Ohio State, 7:00 PM North Carolina at Pittsburgh, 7:00 PM Duke at Virginia, 7:00 PM Drexel at Franklin & Marshall, 7:30 PM Rutgers at Maryland, 7:30 PM Nebraska at Iowa, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Arizona State at Iowa State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Buffalo at Northern Illinois, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Michigan State at Northwestern, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Northern Colorado at South Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) *Air Force at Utah Valley, 9:00 PM (7:00 PM) Oregon State at Cal Poly, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Virginia Tech at Stanford, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Purdue at Wisconsin, 10:00 PM (9:00 PM) Saturday, February 8: *Franklin & Marshall at Messiah Open, hosted by Messiah, 10:00 AM Princeton at Cornell, 1:00 PM Rider at Bloomsburg, 2:00 PM Oklahoma State at Little Rock, 4:00 PM (3:00 PM) Lock Haven at Clarion, 7:00 PM Northern Iowa at North Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) West Virginia at Wyoming, 8:00 PM (6:00 PM) Sunday, February 9: Brown at American, 11:00 AM Central Michigan at Buffalo, 12:00 PM Davidson at Bellarmine, 1:00 PM *Penn at Cornell, 1:00 PM Purdue at Minnesota, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Maryland at Penn State, 1:00 PM Michigan State at Wisconsin, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Sacred Heart at Binghamton, 2:00 PM Presbyterian at Campbell, 2:00 PM Ohio State at Indiana, 2:00 PM Pittsburgh at Iowa State, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Chattanooga at Appalachian State, 3:00 PM Air Force at CSU Bakersfield, 3:00 PM (12:00 PM) Brown at George Mason, 3:00 PM VMI at Campbell, 4:00 PM

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Monday, January 27: Presbyterian at Appalachian State, 7:00 PM Thursday, January 30: Bucknell at Lock Haven, 6:00 PM Friday, January 31: American at Drexel, 12:00 PM *Navy at Bucknell, 6:00 PM Davidson at Campbell, 6:00 PM Gardner-Webb at VMI, 6:30 PM Appalachian State at Bellarmine, 7:00 PM Northern Illinois at Cleveland State, 7:00 PM American at Lehigh, 7:00 PM NC State at North Carolina, 7:00 PM Iowa at Penn State, 7:00 PM Chattanooga at Presbyterian, 7:00 PM Virginia at Virginia Tech, 7:00 PM Wyoming at North Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Utah Valley at South Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Wisconsin at Nebraska, 9:00 PM (8:00 PM) SIU Edwardsville at California Baptist, 9:30 PM (6:30 PM) Stanford at Oregon State, 10:00 PM (7:00 PM) Saturday, February 1: *Cleveland State, Edinboro, Mercyhurst at Edinboro Open, hosted by Edinboro, 9:00 AM Duke at Pittsburgh, 12:00 PM Bloomsburg at Sacred Heart, 12:00 PM George Mason at Rider, 1:00 PM Cornell at Binghamton, 2:00 PM *Army West Point at Lehigh, 2:00 PM Ohio State at Michigan, 2:00 PM Purdue at Illinois, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) *Princeton at Drexel, 4:00 PM Northwestern at Indiana, 4:00 PM Northern Iowa at West Virginia, 7:00 PM *Utah Valley at North Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Missouri at Oklahoma, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) *Wyoming at South Dakota State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Sunday, February 2: *Campbell at Rider, 11:00 AM *Cornell at Columbia, 12:00 PM Franklin & Marshall at LIU, 12:00 PM *Harvard at Penn, 12:00 PM *Brown at Princeton, 12:00 PM VMI at Bellarmine, 1:00 PM Clarion at Michigan State, 1:00 PM Rutgers at Minnesota, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Iowa at Maryland, 2:00 PM Central Michigan at Ohio, 2:00 PM Chattanooga at The Citadel, 2:00 PM Northern Colorado at Arizona State, 3:00 PM (1:00 PM) *Missouri at Oklahoma State, 3:00 PM (2:00 PM) SIU Edwardsville at Cal Poly, 4:00 PM (1:00 PM) Franklin & Marshall at Hofstra, 4:00 PM CSU Bakersfield at Oregon State, 5:00 PM (2:00 PM) *Brown at Penn, 5:00 PM *Harvard at Princeton, 5:00 PM

All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis. *-indicates event is believed to be eligible for a one-pound weight allowance. Monday, January 20: *Duke at Appalachian State, 7:00 PM Wednesday, January 22: Arizona State at Missouri, 7:30 PM (6:30 PM) Friday, January 24: Air Force at Presbyterian, 11:00 AM Drexel at Bucknell, 6:00 PM Bellarmine at Campbell, 6:00 PM Bloomsburg at Cleveland State, 6:00 PM Nebraska at Michigan, 6:00 PM Penn at Columbia, 7:00 PM The Citadel at Davidson, 7:00 PM Virginia Tech at Duke, 7:00 PM Kent State at Lock Haven, 7:00 PM Illinois at Maryland, 7:00 PM Indiana at Michigan State, 7:00 PM Pittsburgh at NC State, 7:00 PM Rider at Princeton, 7:00 PM Clarion at Cleveland State, 7:00 PM Oklahoma at Iowa State, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Oregon State at Little Rock, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) California Baptist at Northern Colorado, 8:00 PM (6:00 PM) Oklahoma State at Northern Iowa, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Penn State at Rutgers, 8:00 PM Minnesota at Wisconsin, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Utah Valley at Wyoming, 8:00 PM (6:00 PM) Saturday, January 25: Appalachian State at Appalachian Open, hosted by Appalachian State, 10:00 AM Cornell at Harvard, 12:00 PM Chattanooga vs. VMI at Cleveland, TN, 1:00 PM Northern Illinois at Ohio, 1:00 PM Binghamton at Harvard, 2:00 PM Ohio State at Iowa, 2:00 PM (1:00 PM) Cornell at Brown, 5:30 PM *Drexel at Rider, 7:00 PM Binghamton at Brown, 7:30 PM Sacred Heart at Franklin & Marshall, 7:30 PM *Oklahoma at Northern Iowa, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) *California Baptist at Wyoming, 8:00 PM (7:00 PM) Sunday, January 26: *Mercyhurst at Jamestown Open, hosted by Jamestown, 9:30 AM Bloomsburg vs. Glenville State at Buffalo, 11:00 AM Clarion vs. Kent State at East Meadow, NY, 11:00 AM CSU Bakersfield at American, 12:00 PM Campbell vs. Central Michigan at American, 12:00 PM Penn at Hofstra, 12:00 PM Glenville State at Buffalo, 1:00 PM Kent State vs. LIU at East Meadow, NY, 1:00 PM Lock Haven at George Mason, 1:00 PM Nebraska at Michigan State, 1:00 PM West Virginia at Missouri, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) Minnesota at Northwestern, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM) The Citadel at Presbyterian, 1:00 PM Illinois at Rutgers, 1:00 PM Central Michigan at American, 2:00 PM Campbell vs. CSU Bakersfield at American, 2:00 PM Army West Point at Bucknell, 2:00 PM Princeton at Columbia, 2:00 PM Gardner-Webb at Davidson, 2:00 PM Indiana at Michigan, 2:00 PM Bloomsburg at Buffalo, 3:00 PM Clarion vs. LIU at East Meadow, NY, 3:00 PM Campbell at American, 4:00 PM Central Michigan vs. CSU Bakersfield at American, 4:00 PM Air Force at Davidson, 4:00 PM Oklahoma State at Iowa State, 5:00 PM (4:00 PM) Virginia at Stanford, 6:00 PM (3:00 PM)