uncle bernard

I for one am shocked that our local MAGA peaceniks are all jumping on board immediately lol. It’s almost like they never believed any of it in the first place….

actually longer lol

All this does is prove to Iran that they need a nuke. It’s the only reliable deterrent of US attack. If they weren’t working towards one already (and our own intelligence has confirmed that they have no evidence they were), they certainly will be now. They would be insane not to. Today, Trump has all but guaranteed a nuclear Iran.

Wrong. They were no longer beholden to those numbers if the Us withdrew from the deal, which they did. Iran is actually still compliant with the nuclear deal to this day. If Trump wanted them to stay at the lower number, he shouldn’t have withdrawn.

Succinct description of Iran's nuclear program, as it actually exists. You guys are falling for the WMD lies again. There's really no excuse for that kind of stupidity. Learn the lessons of history!

Why does that matter? It's not illegal. Should we not hold police officers to a higher standard than random civilians?

Again, you should be able to approach a police officer like he's a human being, not a dangerous animal. No other Western Democracy has this issue, at least to this degree. This is the consequence of training our officers with occupation tactics. They view the civilian populace as an inherently hostile force looking to harm them. It's not a coincidence that a huge portion of our nation's police forces receive training from the IDF or former IDF members. Here's a fun anecdote: A cop once pulled his gun on me. He saw me speeding. Instead of putting his lights on and pulling me over, he followed me into a parking lot. Once I parked, he put his lights on (no siren) and pulled up behind me. By that time, I was reaching to my passenger seat floor to grab a bag. I got out of the car without realizing he was there. He immediately pulled his gun and yelled at me to get back in the car. This was in a Midwest suburb with a literal ZERO percent murder rate. Yet, this cop behaved like he was in Fallujah stopping a suspicious vehicle. It's a fundamentally dangerous worldview for a police officer to have. Being a cop comes with risk. That's what you sign up for. You are committing to public service. Part of that service is putting the public safety ahead of your own. That means you shouldn't be drawing your gun at every sudden movement or unexpected approach from a stranger. If I manage to avoid doing that everyday, I think it's fair to expect our police officers to do the same.

It's not a good thing that you have to approach cops like they're dangerous animals. They're supposed to protect us, not the other way around.

Just wait until you find out about the last 40 years of Republican judicial strategy.

I'd recommend taking an elementary civics class if you want to learn the answers to these questions.

You aren't addressing my point because you know you can't refute it. The Trump administration is allowed to disagree with a district court decision. They aren't allowed to ignore it. They have to appeal it according to the legal process. So whether you think those court decisions are wrong or not is totally irrelevant. They were ordered by a court to do not do something and they did it anyway. That's illegal (which is why several of those courts are mulling Contempt charges). The Supreme Court has already issued rulings to the Trump administration that they've ignored. There are two cut and dry examples of this in the article. So apparently Trump doesn't always comply with SCOTUS. By your metric, he's officially a King or Dictator.

The Judiciary and Legislative branches. Quick tip: google "checks and balances." I live in the US. I'm starting doubt you do though, considering you seem to think the President can't be ordered to do anything.

Remarkably quick to catch on to the joke for your standards. Proud of you!

Address this: "And even then, they've disobeyed direct orders. That's incontrovertible. If they disagree with the orders, they can go through the proper legal process to dispute that. They aren't allowed to just ignore them and proceed. That's a radical departure from civil norms that directly challenges the constitution."

Right back at ya

That's a fantastic personal standard for yourself, and one I whole-heartedly share. However, riots are a fact of life. We know what causes them. You can address them in two ways. Either by overwhelming force (what we usually do) or by addressing the root cause.

You did not show that and I showed you why, yet you are still making the same assertions.

Not all of them, but many of the arrests involve masked men in street clothes jumping out of unmarked vans without showing identification. I'm not sure how we're supposed to expect people to react in that situation.

And yet the "rule of law" gave your cherished president a direct order and he disobeyed it. And you do everything possible to talk your way around that contradiction. Most of the Conservatives on here argued against due process for immigrants, even though our Supreme Court clearly established that to be the law of the land. And those riots were instigated by bad police behavior. ICE has been deporting people its entire existence. The reason it faces so much resistance now is because they've been allowed to operate like a goon squad. People won't have it. If you don't want riots, you should be on my side. Hold the people we pay to maintain the order of this country to a higher standard. That's what they're paid to do. I just wish Conservatives were more practical. They focus so much on abstract ideals at the cost of actually addressing the things they claim to want to address. Don't want riots? Hold your police accountable. Don't like abortion? Teach kids about safe sex and make contraception easily accessible. Don't want war in the Middle East? Stop following the same strategies that created those wars. Don't want illegal immigration? Make it easier and/or feasible to immigrate legally. Want food that's not poison? Pass regulations that demand it. Want healthcare costs to go down? Let the government negotiate drug prices and let the government compete with the private market with single-payer healthcare. Nope, can't do any of that. It doesn't perfectly fit your idealistic principles. So instead, you'll continue to trade worse material results in return for your own moralistic purity.

They aren't identifying themselves to the people they're arresting.

Pol Pot was supported by the US against the Communists. We were his main source of power.

Yes, that's totally acceptable. That's not what's happening here. The fact you'd make that claim shows how warped your worldview is. People are pissed because they are rounding up people who, though are not legal residents, are positively contributing to society and and not committing crimes. And they're tearing apart families in the process. Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor. Overstaying a VISA isn't even a criminal offense. It's as serious as a speeding ticket. If they commit an *actual crime,* something that millions of "law-abiding" Americans don't commit the equivalent of every single day, then deport them.

As I've said a million times on here, Conservatives LOVE authoritarianism. They yearn to see their cultural enemies get stomped by the state. Their issue with Communist governments was never about the authoritarianism. It was that authoritarianism was being used to enforce leftist ideology, not *their own* conservative ideology. That's why you never hear them mention guys like Pinochet when they refer to murderous authoritarian regimes. Pinochet was murdering people so he could enforce all the ideas they agree with. That's exactly what's happening here. In another context, they would obviously admit that this stuff is really evil. Hell, they say simply having children's books in schools that promote LGBTQ values is authoritarianism. But so long as the goons are doing this to enforce their own political desires, they not only turn a blind eye, they actively cheer them on.

If you knew how to read, you'd know that I acknowledged it's not federally required by law.